valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
So the only pro Black people are atheist correct? Am i interpretting you coorect
Debate: You can't be pro-black and religious
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So the only pro Black people are atheist correct? Am i interpretting you coorect
Sharpton and Jesse know their target audiences, them being told off isn't a new phenomena by any means, but the vast majority of our communities still love and adore these men, men who care nothing about them outside of what they can persuade them to collectively do to advance an agenda.
fighting religious people only makes you look like Satan in their eyes.
The ones in 2015 should be, in my humble opinion.
and why is that, mr. recent christian convert?
Its becoming an increasingly worthy cause in my eyes
BlackManLiveFromLondon
New God
This clown makes more religion based threads than any religious guy I've encountered on TheColi
Are you that insecure about being an Atheist?
Are you that insecure about being an Atheist?
what's your end game, converting religious Blacks to atheism?
I have no problem with atheist but if you think all the problems of the world will magically go away if there was no religion, then you are painfully naive about how the world works.
We don't have a religion problem, we have a HUMAN problem.
People who want greed, power, control, etc. Even if there was no religion, they would still find ways yo manipulate people. There are also good religious people who actually do live their lives helping others while doing the best they can to serve their communities as to honor God. These people shouldn't be villified.
As someone who is working on a career to become a scientist, please understand that scientific illiteracy may be rampant in religious communities but it's not much better for nonreligious individuals. I heard some of the most scientifically ignorant statements from nonreligious people who simply refuse to believe otherwise. Alternative medicine nonsense, I heard the government has the cure to cancer and is "hiding it", fluoride is being used to "control" us, genetically modified food is a giant conspiracy, vaccines causes autism and is used to keep us sick, melanin theory, "big pharma" hates natural cures because it actually works and posses a threat to their profits, etc.
Fighting discrimination has to be based on logic, constructive discussions, increasing diversity, accurate data, love and careful reasoning. There are religious people that are ardent antiracist while there are plenty of atheist who hate black people and think they are "genetically inferior". As a black science major back in college, I personally met some really cool atheist who viewed me as an equal that I became great friends with and others atheist who didn't think black people were as intelligent or good as white people therefore black people should be kept away from doing science. I've met christians who were bigger antiracist than me and other christians who thought the "NAACP is an anti-white organization out to destroy the white race". Again, It's not a religious issue, it's a human one. Blaming religion is an intellectual copout. There are some people who are racist white supremacist, they will be racist regardless of their religious preferences. Changing, their religious views won't fix them, changing their views about race WILL. Changing their religious views is only a bandaid over a shotgun wound.
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James Watson is an atheist who is the famous scientist with Francis Crick who discovered the double helix shape of DNA. He is a white supremacist and has openly said believes that black people are "genetically inferior" to the white race and they less intelligent. This is why he is black balled from the scientific community despite contributing such a huge milestone to our scientific process. Stephen Jay Gould was an atheist before he passed away and he was the guy who discovered punctuated equilibrium. He wrote an entire book completely dismantling scientific racism and destroys the argument that black people are "genetically inferior".
Again BOTH of these people are atheist with two radically different views on black people. Please don't get caught up in trying to slander religion that you forget that racism is a HUMAN problem and will need to have a more nuanced approach in order to combat it with REAL solutions, not just feel good anti-theist rhetoric.
We don't have a religion problem, we have a HUMAN problem.
People who want greed, power, control, etc. Even if there was no religion, they would still find ways yo manipulate people. There are also good religious people who actually do live their lives helping others while doing the best they can to serve their communities as to honor God. These people shouldn't be villified.
As someone who is working on a career to become a scientist, please understand that scientific illiteracy may be rampant in religious communities but it's not much better for nonreligious individuals. I heard some of the most scientifically ignorant statements from nonreligious people who simply refuse to believe otherwise. Alternative medicine nonsense, I heard the government has the cure to cancer and is "hiding it", fluoride is being used to "control" us, genetically modified food is a giant conspiracy, vaccines causes autism and is used to keep us sick, melanin theory, "big pharma" hates natural cures because it actually works and posses a threat to their profits, etc.
Fighting discrimination has to be based on logic, constructive discussions, increasing diversity, accurate data, love and careful reasoning. There are religious people that are ardent antiracist while there are plenty of atheist who hate black people and think they are "genetically inferior". As a black science major back in college, I personally met some really cool atheist who viewed me as an equal that I became great friends with and others atheist who didn't think black people were as intelligent or good as white people therefore black people should be kept away from doing science. I've met christians who were bigger antiracist than me and other christians who thought the "NAACP is an anti-white organization out to destroy the white race". Again, It's not a religious issue, it's a human one. Blaming religion is an intellectual copout. There are some people who are racist white supremacist, they will be racist regardless of their religious preferences. Changing, their religious views won't fix them, changing their views about race WILL. Changing their religious views is only a bandaid over a shotgun wound.
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James Watson is an atheist who is the famous scientist with Francis Crick who discovered the double helix shape of DNA. He is a white supremacist and has openly said believes that black people are "genetically inferior" to the white race and they less intelligent. This is why he is black balled from the scientific community despite contributing such a huge milestone to our scientific process. Stephen Jay Gould was an atheist before he passed away and he was the guy who discovered punctuated equilibrium. He wrote an entire book completely dismantling scientific racism and destroys the argument that black people are "genetically inferior".
Again BOTH of these people are atheist with two radically different views on black people. Please don't get caught up in trying to slander religion that you forget that racism is a HUMAN problem and will need to have a more nuanced approach in order to combat it with REAL solutions, not just feel good anti-theist rhetoric.
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Richard Wright
Living Legend
I don't think it is a question with a yes or no answer. My best answer is probably "not effectively". I can only speak from the perpective of AAs and Christianity though.
We all know where we learned christianity from. We all know that the religion we hold so tightly now in our community was used to justify our enslavement. And thats usually all I say on religion.
I think the issue goes beyond that( a historical context means nothing to our modern society which seems to have very little capacity for placing things into one ) and will look beyond my own reasons for shunning religion.
I agree that in the position we have religion needs to go. Just the idea that your values and understanding are so fixed - not set by evidence but indoctrination - that you will never hold yourself or your own community as highly as you hold this guy you will meet when you die is not a good luck when you have not prospered first.
I think it can work depending on the religion. I will never be religious though.
We all know where we learned christianity from. We all know that the religion we hold so tightly now in our community was used to justify our enslavement. And thats usually all I say on religion.
I think the issue goes beyond that( a historical context means nothing to our modern society which seems to have very little capacity for placing things into one ) and will look beyond my own reasons for shunning religion.
I agree that in the position we have religion needs to go. Just the idea that your values and understanding are so fixed - not set by evidence but indoctrination - that you will never hold yourself or your own community as highly as you hold this guy you will meet when you die is not a good luck when you have not prospered first.
I think it can work depending on the religion. I will never be religious though.
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
Should be? Wait a minute are you saying you can pro Black and religious? But since Christianity is an illogical belief you feel they shouldnt be?
"to atheism?"
Not really, but dropping religion and all sorts of notions that cause people to cling to superstition really.
My desire to work in the medical field is greatly enhanced when I see and hear about some of the things black people think about science, and medicine.
its frustrating and it could truly be helped if so many of us weren't ardently religious and scared to abandon that mental prison
I'm saying that to meet MY standard of being "pro-black" you can't be religious.
yeah, I guess I haven't experience racism either
Its the fukking internet and you won't believe me anyways, now stop dancing with this red-herring bullshyt and stick to the original question in the thread.
I see what you're doing.
Why don't you talk about what you went through instead of assuming we won't believe you. At this point you have denied being black so anything else you say has to be possible.
