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Like many have said already, his understanding of melody is at a really high level. Like the threadstarter, I'm not part of his demographic at all but I fell into the rabbit hole (pause that if necessary) and found out this guy has so much enjoyable music it's crazy.

This song is always puts me in a great mood, I wonder when they are going to put this out officially. It says Rich Homie Quan is featured, but I think it's just Birdman & Young Thug.

 

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I was recording music last uear
mostly in house stuff for fun with my brother and his friends and I can sing a little bit and I can write raps and other things but they're mostly rappers. Talented yes but the recordings didn't have a wide breadth as far as sound. You don't get to play vocally like Kendrick or thugger or even jazz singers like Amy winehouse.

Honestly I am an amateur but the things I dreamed about I wanted fidelity in bringing it to life and was frustrated when it wasn't it. as a result I did vocals and have verses ready for other tracks I heard but not my boatload of ideas.
when I did one they were more concerned about clarity than melody ( rnb with rap tinges was what I was doing)
when I listen to future or thugger or kwan or winehouse and other people I feel sacrificing melody for clarity shouldn't be the case especially if more than one listen or googling if you really about it will let you know words.

I think that's where thugger and Kendrick and future play a role. progression of vocals in terms of melody. hooks too
 

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I was recording music last uear
mostly in house stuff for fun with my brother and his friends and I can sing a little bit and I can write raps and other things but they're mostly rappers. Talented yes but the recordings didn't have a wide breadth as far as sound. You don't get to play vocally like Kendrick or thugger or even jazz singers like Amy winehouse.

Honestly I am an amateur but the things I dreamed about I wanted fidelity in bringing it to life and was frustrated when it wasn't it. as a result I did vocals and have verses ready for other tracks I heard but not my boatload of ideas.
when I did one they were more concerned about clarity than melody ( rnb with rap tinges was what I was doing)
when I listen to future or thugger or kwan or winehouse and other people I feel sacrificing melody for clarity shouldn't be the case especially if more than one listen or googling if you really about it will let you know words.

I think that's where thugger and Kendrick and future play a role. progression of vocals in terms of melody. hooks too
 

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I've enjoyed a few songs but I can't get through a whole project from him I've tried serveral times.
 

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I remember saying something similar to this... One day you gonna give one track a chance to see what these suspect nikkas going mad about....You gonna hear the melodic flows on those glorious London on the track piano riffs. Suddenly. The flow changes hit you like a thief in the night. Your head gonna nod for a little bit but you gonna stop yourself and turn it off. When you catch yourself nodding to it or replaying an unlocked melody in your head not knowing where it came from... its too late. its like a virus.

That's how its gonna go
Nah :camby: I have heard this dude on mixtapes. The shyt is terrible
 

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I'm the same age bruh. We're at a age where were in between Nas, Dmx, Jay Generation and this one, it's cool I fukks with Travis Scott and Future heavy. This era of music isn't nearly as bad as it was 10 year ago
 

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Like many have said already, his understanding of melody is at a really high level. Like the threadstarter, I'm not part of his demographic at all but I fell into the rabbit hole (pause that if necessary) and found out this guy has so much enjoyable music it's crazy.

This song is always puts me in a great mood, I wonder when they are going to put this out officially. It says Rich Homie Quan is featured, but I think it's just Birdman & Young Thug.


Such a fukking great song! Bumped the hell out of this.

Sadly Birdman likely has a strangle hold on this track. Fakkit probably plays it daily in the bugatti.

This the best Birdman has ever sounded. Surely because Thugga wrote his rhymes.
 

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This is it. It's not done by education or... let's say specific intellectual focus. Like you know when Jay, Eminem, Lupe or Pusha are really flowing, you know it's because they've got the rhymes structure built so specifically to create this effect. Someone like Eminem's flow at its best is so meticulously written and structured. Young Thug is catching better flows and melodies and he's not.. intellectually trying to do so if that makes sense. What Thug does, doesn't make sense. It's like he goes into the booth channelling some African Juju shyt or the HolY Ghost of musical feeling and shyt. He'll find a pocket in a beat, then switch it up for something that just feels better at that point but it has no logical reason to do so.


The big drawback is that the content only has broad themes with songs often without specific meaning. I'm a big fan of dude and I only understand maybe... 80%... 90% of what he's saying. So his music has to be felt and enjoyed rather than understood. I've grown up listening to Dancehall, Afrobeats & Reggae. I'm used to feeling and enjoying music I barely understand. Big reason why Lifestyle is his biggest record, it has a strong theme. And also his music is complex but not in terms of "lyricism" or the way we consider complex hip hop music. Walk with me.

He uses a lot of lingo - that I simply don't understand (Wu did this a lot too). So, let's take what is to me.. one of the best songs of the year and one of the best songs from Thugga. Draw Down



For one.. the title.. Draw Down doesn't mean anything to me. It took me a while to figure he was saying "i'm a pull a draw down on all of them"... which in itself is an abstract way of saying i'm going to point a loaded gun at you.

Then.. the hook alone.. is like 14-16 bars of raps. THE HOOK IS 14 BARS MINIMUM. It's split into I guess 3 sections, of about 5 bars. The first is the most catchy, the second is a chant (i'm a pull a draw down on all them), the 3rd is hypnotic rhymes that works brilliantly with the earlier part. Oh and he starts the hook as soon as the song drops. He starts singing in the background halfway through the hook and the beat changes a bit too. The first time hearing this you literally have no time to understand what's going on. The first verse hasn't started, in 1 hook he's given us 3 flows/melodies and said "nikka you might be swept by my sword" LOL. That's some poetic shyt to say in a hook. AGain, it's like 14 bars but it doesn't feel like it.

Verse 1:
The beat settles down again and he's onto the 4th flow of the song.. this time he's shouting and super clear to understand. After the shouting, the beat actually ramps up again (like the drop at the start) he switches seamlessly into the singing, which contains two melodies working together. So he's shouting when it's smooth, then singing when it's a harder beat. When the beat is open he attacks it with the shouting flow, when it fights back with the 808's and bass.. he rides it smoothly with the singing flow. That must be on purpose right?

And then from there.... he's pretty much rapping in another flow that's unlike the previous 2... but... feels more like free expression rather than a specific flow. No cadence or flow after that sticks fro more than a rhyming couplet or at a push 3. So it's like... shouting... singing.... off the cuff stuff towards the end.

Like... how do you plan to write that? Do you even plan it? If you don't plan it, how can a mind be so sick to come up with that? I don't know.. so.. despite being explicit and sexually grotesque it ends up sounding like Thugger has unlocked some kinda spiritual rapping flows to stick this all together seamlessly and effortlessly. It doesn't sound like he's trying but when you think about it... it's fukking nuts. The beat and Thug switch gears throughout the song. Seamless.

Then we back to that 14-16 bar hook. LOL.


This is a trap rapper called Young Thug, making a song loosely about pulling guns on people. It's complex but people will dead ass look you in the face and dismiss it's creativity and originality.
I've spent longer than planned on this lol. Might start a thread on the greatness and complexity of this song.

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I'll take this one, Newzz.

I've never once heard Thugger on the radio outside of "About the Money". I happened to see a post regaling his melodic talents and penchant for rhythm on the Coli one slow Friday afternoon and took it upon myself to listen to a few tracks on the video site YouTube.

I came across the song "Best Friend" and was fascinated by the rhythmic mastery Thugger exhibited in every aspect of the track: the verse, the hook, even the adlibs (the perfectly modulated vibrato on one of the "scrrrrrr"s captured my attention in a way no other musical moment has in years). That, combined with the esoteric visuals and dance moves clearly delineated from the traditional Sabar dance of the Senegalese, had me fascinated. Thugger was so effortlessly creating a distinctly AFRICAN American aesthetic rhythmically, melodically, and visually. Truly a masterclass performance.

Then, once I looked into the lyrics and saw themes of rugged independence, self-belief, and familial consciousness-- I could never go back to judging Thugger's work through the narrow lens I did before. I suddenly "got it". I started to do a close listening of the rest of his discography and felt foolish for having thereto precluded myself from recognizing the sonic savant.
This is what happened to me back in 08 with Gucci.

It just suddenly snapped one day :wow:
 

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:ohhh: brehs i opened this thread being 33 years old, having dismissed this nikka based on appearance and the moist antics, planning on dropping a quick:scust: and be out.. then i read yalls posts and played that "best friend" joint..



been bumpin nothing but thug for the past 3 hrs:mjcry:yall woke me up out my sleep
 
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