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You’re anti gentrification. Left nimbyism is dead. Hopefully.
So let me get this straight you're a supposed black man that is probably gentrification? Which allows white people to buy up black properties at discounted values due to higher taxes ? Got it
 

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I thought Cali implemented zoning reforms specifically to increase housing supply a few years ago. It just hasn't had the impact that Abundance people expected, at least not in the short term.
Cause it has to be a whole other package. There’s still too many hurdles with environmental impacts and community review boards. The entire system needs to be shaken down.
 

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So let me get this straight you're a supposed black man that is probably gentrification? Which allows white people to buy up black properties at discounted values due to higher taxes ? Got it
We need more affordable housing. Cities aren’t museums. Plus, people only sell when they get offers they can’t turn down.
 

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We need more affordable housing. Cities aren’t museums. Plus, people only sell when they get offers they can’t turn down.
We have two different definitions of affordable housing.

Your definition is gentrification , which allow the rich and wealthy to build stadiums stores mansions in poor neighborhoods driving out homeowners.

My definition is building two -three family homes, elimination of oversized backyards, apartment complexes, and less single family home in neighborhoods. We need to be doing more with the space we already have.
 

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We need more affordable housing. Cities aren’t museums. Plus, people only sell when they get offers they can’t turn down.
I agree, we need more affordable housing.

My post was meant to ask "Didn't Cali already implement zoning reform to try and address the affordable housing problems and how has it worked out?"
I looked it up, but don't have time to do a deep dive. It looks like Cali passed some zoning reforms in 2021, but clearly that hasn't had the intended effect.

I have no idea if "Cat Foot Slurper" is supposed to be some liberal insider from LA, but she's complaining housing those zoning reforms were meant to address. I'm not a big fan of Brookings, but at least they've done some review of it that I'll take a closer look at later.


To help ease the crunch, California state lawmakers have passed more than 100 new laws that affect planning, zoning, permitting processes, and building since 2017. These laws approach the problem from two angles. First, the decades-old Regional Housing Needs Allocation (RHNA) assigns each local government quantitative targets for how many homes the jurisdiction needs to add over the next eight years; recent updates have added teeth to RHNA enforcement. Second, a series of newer state laws aims to legalize specific structure types, such as accessory dwelling units (ADUs) and duplexes, which typically offer lower rents or prices than single-family detached homes. Together, these policies are intended to create more homes, and more diversity of housing options, at a wider range of rents and prices.

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Our analysis found that housing prices and rents in Southern California rose faster than household incomes from 2010 to 2022. While the entire region is expensive, relative to the U.S. overall, housing costs varied widely across cities within the region. Single-family detached homes accounted for a substantial share of housing stock in 2019, while newly permitted housing from 2019 to 2022 was more weighted toward multifamily and middle-housing structures. Several cities have been permitting substantial numbers of ADUs, reflecting recent statewide policy changes. Housing production rates also varied widely across cities.

Just off the early summary, my guess is it's too early for any major takeaways. But the short-term view here is that the zoning stuff that the Abundance guys are obsessing over isn't gonna be enough on its own to resolve housing problems. Maybe it can be part of the solution, I'll read further to get a more in-depth view on it. But my initial thinking is "relaxing zoning laws can be helpful, but probably needs more policies around it to have the material impact that improves conditions within an election cycle."
 

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We have two different definitions of affordable housing.

Your definition is gentrification , which allow the rich and wealthy to build stadiums stores mansions in poor neighborhoods driving out homeowners.

My definition is building two -three family homes, elimination of oversized backyards, apartment complexes, and less single family home in neighborhoods. We need to be doing more with the space we already have.
Bruh you can’t build more than 1 stadium. And yes, when you build more it allows people with money to buy them and frees up stock that those with the means are forced to inhabit.

We need more housing for single individuals.
 

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I agree, we need more affordable housing.

My post was meant to ask "Didn't Cali already implement zoning reform to try and address the affordable housing problems and how has it worked out?"
I looked it up, but don't have time to do a deep dive. It looks like Cali passed some zoning reforms in 2021, but clearly that hasn't had the intended effect.

I have no idea if "Cat Foot Slurper" is supposed to be some liberal insider from LA, but she's complaining housing those zoning reforms were meant to address. I'm not a big fan of Brookings, but at least they've done some review of it that I'll take a closer look at later.




Just off the early summary, my guess is it's too early for any major takeaways. But the short-term view here is that the zoning stuff that the Abundance guys are obsessing over isn't gonna be enough on its own to resolve housing problems. Maybe it can be part of the solution, I'll read further to get a more in-depth view on it. But my initial thinking is "relaxing zoning laws can be helpful, but probably needs more policies around it to have the material impact that improves conditions within an election cycle."
The Cali reforms fell flat because a lot of it lacked enforcement and got neutered by the time it landed. But other areas around the country are rapidly pivoting. Even things like parking lot minimums is an issue. It’s a system wide issue.
 

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You know the funny part of this is , acting like pod saved America is some serious discussion platform :mjlol:. They're essentially neoliberal shills who make nothing but excuses for the party. You need shills here and there so I appreciate that but no one should be taking them serious. Ones a whole fukking healthcare company lobbyists
Why did you not include Brian Tyler Cohen? :mjpls:
 

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I like Bryan Tyler Cohen but he is not "standing up" to Trump and the Republicans
He’s using his platform to speak out against the Trump administration, highlight Trump’s corruption, and abuse of power and he’s widely popular which helps amplifies dem messaging to normies and counter Republican misinformation.

He’s definitely standing up. More than most, especially more than “lefties” who do nothing but bash Democrats all day for clicks
 

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He’s using his platform to speak out against the Trump administration, highlight Trump’s corruption, and abuse of power and he’s widely popular which helps amplifies dem messaging to normies and counter Republican misinformation.

He’s definitely standing up. More than most, especially more than “lefties” who do nothing but bash Democrats all day for clicks
What do Brian Tyler Cohen do when democrats in power? ( hint: shill) This the problem i have with some of you blue maga posters, holding water to you is much more important than holding our party to accountability so we never get back into these situation of having to live under trumps corruption. 90% of so called leftist was behind kamala Harris, even against their own ideological reasonings
 

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What do Brian Tyler Cohen do when democrats in power? ( hint: shill) This the problem i have with some of you blue maga posters, holding water to you is much more important than holding our party to accountability so we never get back into these situation of having to live under trumps corruption. 90% of so called leftist was behind kamala Harris, even against their own ideological reasonings
he should continue to do what he’s doing. Keep his foot on Republican necks(which he does) and what the other side does. It’s not his job to litigate the democrat party, his job is to use his platform to hurt the Republican and fascist movement.

Once they are defeated and all is left is liberals and lefties we can have our breakup just like the allies did after Nazi germany was defeated
 
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