Democratic Party Rebuild

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Sure the democrats need to be reformed but twitter is a battlefield of propaganda. I can understand how someone like you feels catharsis when midwit grifters shyt on democrats for clicks and the algorithm but it does more harm than good
The people who are susceptible to braindead Democrat propaganda are already firmly ensconced in the Democratic Party fold. They're watching Stephen Colbert every night and sharing Brian Tyler Cohen clips on Facebook and Bluesky. They'll happily vote for Democrats no matter who they run. They'd gladly vote for George Bush if he ran again as a Democrat.

But the people you're interested in targeting with this Democrat propaganda are not going to fall for the "look over there! pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" bit. They're more sophisticated than that. They know the Democrats are full of shyt, so you need to actually deliver on some good promises and shyt on Do-Nothing Dems in order to build the credibility for the propaganda to work. Trump shytting on Bush and the old guard Republicans was a critical element in building his political iconoclast image for the MAGA movement. If your propaganda can't offend the sensibility of Hillary Clinton then you're never going to get the demographics you're targeting.
 

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The people who are susceptible to braindead Democrat propaganda are already firmly ensconced in the Democratic Party fold. They're watching Stephen Colbert every night and sharing Brian Tyler Cohen clips on Facebook and Bluesky. They'll happily vote for Democrats no matter who they run. They'd gladly vote for George Bush if he ran again as a Democrat.

But the people you're interested in targeting with this Democrat propaganda are not going to fall for the "look over there! pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" bit. They're more sophisticated than that. They know the Democrats are full of shyt, so you need to actually deliver on some good promises and shyt on Do-Nothing Dems in order to build the credibility for the propaganda to work. Trump shytting on Bush and the old guard Republicans was a critical element in building his political iconoclast image for the MAGA movement. If your propaganda can't offend the sensibility of Hillary Clinton then you're never going to get the demographics you're targeting.
1) I think you’re constructing a soft strawman here. I didn’t say anything about the diehard Dem voters, I’m more so referring to the normie non-engaged voter but susceptible to social media influence.

For example if some normie saw a mainstream news article saying the left finally has found their Joe Rogan! The article says it’s (Hasan Piker)

The normie goes on to internally think: interesting! I’ve never heard of him before! Let me see what his social media looks like!

The normie then goes on his twitter and see it littered with constant dem bashing. The normie will probably have a less favorable view of democrats after that.

You can say it’s probably justified and you could be correct but we don’t live in a just reality. You want the democrats to play by rules when the Republicans play by none. That is a recipe for Democrats to continue have a lower approval rating than the Republicans despite Republicans actively working to make everybody's life worse who isn’t an oligarch.

The propaganda balance is completely out of wack. Supposed talking heads left of center can’t wait to shyt on democrats but those right of center never shyt on Republicans in the same way that would hurt the broader Republican brand to the layman or normie who stumbles on their social media. They stay on code and they message accordingly. That’s why they’re winning the info war.

Do you think it’s a coincidence that Theo Van and Piers Morgan start bashing Israel for committing a genocide shortly after Trump starts to distance himself?

It’s all planned and coordinated and leftist talking heads can’t wait to facilitate their sanewashing at the altar to appear professional, unbiased and not a shill. Until those left on center get on code collectively we‘ll continue to lose the propaganda war online and low info voters will continue to go to the right.

2) I never said online talking heads left of center should suck establishment dems like Hilary off, I’m saying they should not actively look to pile onto Dem bashing in public squares because it does more harm than good. They should focus their negativity towards Republicans. The Republican brand should be far more toxic than the “do nothing dems” you’re adding to the problem.
 

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According to @Outlaw this shouldn't be talked about because of normies

Perfect example, if you look at Fox News when an undeniably bad but minor Trump story comes out, they try their hardest to not cover it or put it as some minor footnote. People like this tweeter can’t wait to bash Dems.


Instead of focusing the story on Republicans unanimously passing a bill that’ll deteriorate our environment, let’s focus our attention on the ONE conservative democrat that voted with them. Let’s make sure that’s the most captivating part of the headline for engagement
 

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Perfect example, if you look at Fox News when an undeniably bad but minor Trump story comes out, they try their hardest to not cover it or put it as some minor footnote. People like this tweeter can’t wait to bash Dems.


Instead of focusing the story on Republicans unanimously passing a bill that’ll deteriorate our environment, let’s focus our attention on the ONE conservative democrat that voted with them. Let’s make sure that’s the most captivating part of the headline for engagement
nikkas algo is algo-ing like a MF
 

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Perfect example, if you look at Fox News when an undeniably bad but minor Trump story comes out, they try their hardest to not cover it or put it as some minor footnote. People like this tweeter can’t wait to bash Dems.


Instead of focusing the story on Republicans unanimously passing a bill that’ll deteriorate our environment, let’s focus our attention on the ONE conservative democrat that voted with them. Let’s make sure that’s the most captivating part of the headline for engagement
So basically you want north Korea style media for the dems lol
 

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No I want an even playing field where the Republican brand is toxic beyond reproach
You have to have a strong and restructured democratic party for that, you know a party that stop electing 70 -80 years and pushing right leaning centrist as party leaders
 

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No you just have a social media apparatus focused on highlighting how horrible the Republican Party is right now
I didn’t know we needed a 35 year old in congress for Ken klipperstein to gather the moral courage to write an tweet that holds the republicans accountable for standing and applauding legislation that solely intends to hurt the people that voted for them.
 

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No you just have a social media apparatus focused on highlighting how horrible the Republican Party is right now
Can't have a social media apparatus when you're electing 70 year olds and centrist that stand for nothing to lead your parties vision. How you supposed to have a strong media apparatus with Elisa slotbkins of the world that agree with trump
 

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Can't have a social media apparatus when you're electing 70 year olds and centrist that stand for nothing to lead your parties vision. How you supposed to have a strong media apparatus with Elisa slotbkins of the world that agree with trump
Excuses and analogous fascistic perpetual victimization complex. The best course of action is to tarnish the Republican brand by holding them accountable.

Slotkin would by far be the BEST Republican in the senate if she actually was one. You don’t see the existential threat being the Republican Party, you see it as being “weak” Dems which is putting the cart before the horse.
 

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Excuses and analogous fascistic perpetual victimization complex. The best course of action is to tarnish the Republican brand by holding them accountable.

Slotkin would by far be the BEST Republican in the senate if she actually was one. You don’t see the existential threat being the Republican Party, you see it as being “weak” Dems which is putting the cart before the horse.
I do see the reoublican party as this big existential threat which is why im in this thread in the first place. We did this lets run on nothing thing in 2016 and lost, did it again and lost in 2024? When do you centrist cowards actually want to win elections by exciting voters instead of providing everything for donors ? How many times do we need to literally promise things and act like the process ie: senate parliamentarian is stopping us? Democratic party is weak and need to be reformed.
 

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I do see the reoublican party as this big existential threat which is why im in this thread in the first place. We did this lets run on nothing thing in 2016 and lost, did it again and lost in 2024? When do you centrist cowards actually want to win elections by exciting voters instead of providing everything for donors ? How many times do we need to literally promise things and act like the process ie: senate parliamentarian is stopping us? Democratic party is weak and need to be reformed.
I guess our fundamental difference is that the Dems delivering on social programs matters less to me than Republicans actively working to reinstitutionalize systemic oppression
 
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