Outlaw
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Yes it’s the voters fault. You realize we live in a democracy right? The voters decide who wields power. So yes she has the right to be indignant towards the decision makers of this country choosing Trump over her
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Yes it’s the voters fault. You realize we live in a democracy right? The voters decide who wields power. So yes she has the right to be indignant towards the decision makers of this country choosing Trump over her
Yikes I didn’t see those
For what it’s worth he can’t vote, he’s a bloke from across the pond who just so happens to live here (unless he mixed up accounts that day).Grandpa what did you do when Trump was running in 2024?
I didn’t vote against him because she was too mid.
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
I keep forgetting about that
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We heard the same thing after the 2016 election and beyond about Hillary Clinton running for X office, and it never materialized. The same thing will happen with Harris. I think you people are just too cowardly to admit that you need this soft-target and the specter of a potential run for office to perform your empty brand of politics.She explored running for California governor but bytched out. Like @King Kreole said, she's testing the waters. And if she thinks the primary will be full of voters eager to kneel down and apologize to her for condoning genocide and hugging Liz Cheney and playing the "I'm a bit better than Trump" card she has no idea of what's coming to her, especially when other candidates start to hit her hard on covering up for Biden.
If a few hecklers are rattling her this much and she can't look inward, I look forward to her 2030 memoirs of getting destroyed in the primaries by meanie voters and politicians
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How are you gonna call this an empty brand of politics when you just called the reigning Democratic Party Presidential Nominee a "soft-target"? What model of power are you operating from?
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You've got it backwards. I'm not the one seeing everything as "us vs. them," you are. You're so desperate to look "above it all" that you end up taking bad actors at face value, just because it fits your "Dems bad" outlook.How can I be in the pile of shyt I put you in you fukking retard
She torpedoed her own campaign. She acknowledged this in her memoir. It's her nose and the nose of her ardent supporters that's full of manure. That's why you and Kamala are on the rag about these hecklers
Are you retarded? Read the post again.
I didn't call her coherent. I called her statement coherent. I didn't praise her, I didn't call her a good person. I called her specific statement coherent and said not one Democrat had a statement as coherent as this one on Israel support. (Which is hyperbole, a few Democrats ostracized by the mainstream party have said similarly coherent arguments).
But that's the problem with you dumb fukks. You see this as a simple game of us versus them. So when they occasionally turn their brain on and say something that makes sense (stop funnelling money into Israel), you can't take that at face value. There obviously has to be some white nationalist angle to it. And that's why our side continues to support funnelling money to Israel and continues to be hawks on Iran, that shows they are against white nationalist right?
Luckily I don't identify with either party so I am free of that slave hold and can point out bullshyt on both sides when I see it. A lot more on the Republican side, but enough to go around.
I'm not calling her anti-war stance white nationalist (it is empty and performative) -- I'm pointing out how she slipped something dangerous into it. This part: "We love our military and love them helping to secure our borders and our cities for the defense of OUR PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY." That's the white nationalist call for turning the military inward to suppress dissent. She using the racially coded far-right rhetoric when she talks about "our people." That means white, Christian, and nativist populations.
You ignore that line because you can't excuse it without admitting she's using the anti-war message to launder authoritarian nationalism. That's not me being partisan, that's me refusing to fall for propaganda from someone whose record is rooted in racism, antisemitism and white grievance politics.
This doesn't make any sense. I'm not taking sides here. Having an opinion about a statement made by a bad actor is not taking the bad actor at face value.
And I don't have a "Dems bad" outlook. I have a "Dems mid" outlook
Ok, good for you. That was not my point. I can acknowledge she has horrible politics in general including nativist politics (shock, she's MAGA). She also made a clear statement about not supporting Israel. I can point to a few others where she didn't include nativist dog whistle innuendos, and where would that leave this conversation?
None of which I support, and none of which I highlighted when I quoted the tweet. But you knew this.
And God knows in today's wrapper she doesn't need an anti-war message to hide this, unless you think some people will suddenly vote for MTG because of tweets like this?
What are we talking about?
I'm ignoring it because it has no relevance to my overall point.
Do you think there's a correlation between anti-war messaging and authoritarian nationalism, or do you think someone can simultaneously be nativist with horrible politics, and be anti war? I tend to lean towards the latter. I don't think Bernie Sanders is more likely to purge America of non-whites because of his anti-war politics. Do you?
Do you really think someone needs an anti-war wrapper to introduce propaganda in today's America where government agencies are openly releasing ads showing white warriors fighting back "savage natives" and Hegseth called the soldiers who committed the Wounded Knee massacre heroes and military bases are being renamed after Confederate soldiers?
You're reaching so hard on this, you'll get a grade 3 strain in your arm.
You can acknowledge someone terrible making great points without endorsing all of their viewpoints. Some of you need to grow up. MTG is clearly making great points on israel and Healthcare in this country irregardless of it probably being rooted in antisemitism and White Christian nationalism
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
You’re more willing to fawn and give grace to MTG than you would a “corporate” democrat. That’s the root of the problem.
Pull Up the Roots
Breakfast for dinner.
My point is she uses anti-war language to launder authoritarian ideas, but you're too up your own ass to see it.
No ones fawning over MTG you just a man child who still think santa clause is real. MYG position on israel being better than 95% of elected democrat politicans is flat out embarrassing for the party that is supposed to be about empathy compassion and peace.
Her being better on important issues like a genocide shows me that lobbies like aipac truly has ruined the democratic party. No way in hell should a ghoul like MTG be better on a fukking genocide then leaders of our party like Hakeem jefferies and Kristen Gillibrand
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"Doing better" doesnt matter now does it
This is very pathetic that the Dems have seeminly put all their eggs in the Newsome basket. Same way those bufoons did with Joe Biden. The Dems are not a serious party imo
fukk are you talking about? There's no eggs in any baskets. I'm making a prediction basrd on how things have played out so far.