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This excerpt is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Watching people gush over Ezra Klein's reheated neoliberal, elite-centric bullshyt as "the way forward" is embarrassing. This kind of analysis sounds smart until you realize it's built on vibes, not facts.

It's also a brazen lie to claim that Democrats moved "sharply left on virtually every issue" between 2012 and 2024 when the party's actual record shows a *moderate* course correction *at best.* Supporting higher corporate taxes, modest industrial policy, or expanding the child tax credit is not "far left" anywhere outside of Beltway fantasyland. Democrats still catered to capital, they still obsessed over deficit reduction, and still deferred to developers on housing. The "sharp left turn" narrative only exists in the heads of pundits who panic whenever policy shifts even slightly away from donor-class orthodoxy.

And the idea that Democrats "moved left on race and lost Black voters" is comically detached from reality. Black voters didn't drift because the party got too progressive -- they drifted because the party under-delivered. It's also insulting to make that claim while ignoring how voter suppression played a larger part in that fracturing. Reducing that to "they moved too far left" erases the material reasons people lose faith. Like, ask yourself this: If "moving left on race" means addressing systemic racism, how would that alienate Black voters -- the very group most affected by those issues? There's no logic in his analysis.

Same with "they moved left on economics and lost the working class." First, he needs to stop hiding his hand here and say "white working-class." And acknowledge how that demographic has voted since party realignment and before. You can't ignore that crucial dynamic if you want your analysis to be taken seriously.

The GOP didn't win white working-class voters by outflanking Democrats economically, it won them through culture wars, resentment politics, and decades of right-wing media indoctrination. He's pretending a handful of social media progressives are the Democratic Party while ignoring the corporate donors and consultants who still run the show.

His entire framing reeks of the kind elite detachment that intentionally confuses rhetorical progressivism (more inclusive rhetoric, social awareness, online activism) with structural leftism (redistribution, public investment, labor power). Then it blames the former for every electoral challenge while letting the real failures of neoliberal policy off the hook.

Klein's argument is backward. If Democrats have a problem, it's that they didn't move left enough in economic power, labor rights, housing, and accountability for corporate capture -- you know, things that actually matter.
 

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This excerpt is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Watching people gush over Ezra Klein's reheated neoliberal, elite-centric bullshyt as "the way forward" is embarrassing. This kind of analysis sounds smart until you realize it's built on vibes, not facts.

It's also a brazen lie to claim that Democrats moved "sharply left on virtually every issue" between 2012 and 2024 when the party's actual record shows a *moderate* course correction *at best.* Supporting higher corporate taxes, modest industrial policy, or expanding the child tax credit is not "far left" anywhere outside of Beltway fantasyland. Democrats still catered to capital, they still obsessed over deficit reduction, and still deferred to developers on housing. The "sharp left turn" narrative only exists in the heads of pundits who panic whenever policy shifts even slightly away from donor-class orthodoxy.

And the idea that Democrats "moved left on race and lost Black voters" is comically detached from reality. Black voters didn't drift because the party got too progressive -- they drifted because the party under-delivered. It's also insulting to make that claim while ignoring how voter suppression played a larger part in that fracturing. Reducing that to "they moved too far left" erases the material reasons people lose faith. Like, ask yourself this: If "moving left on race" means addressing systemic racism, how would that alienate Black voters -- the very group most affected by those issues? There's no logic in his analysis.

Same with "they moved left on economics and lost the working class." First, he needs to stop hiding his hand here and say "white working-class." And acknowledge how that demographic has voted since party realignment and before. You can't ignore that crucial dynamic if you want your analysis to be taken seriously.

The GOP didn't win white working-class voters by outflanking Democrats economically, it won them through culture wars, resentment politics, and decades of right-wing media indoctrination. He's pretending a handful of social media progressives are the Democratic Party while ignoring the corporate donors and consultants who still run the show.

His entire framing reeks of the kind elite detachment that intentionally confuses rhetorical progressivism (more inclusive rhetoric, social awareness, online activism) with structural leftism (redistribution, public investment, labor power). Then it blames the former for every electoral challenge while letting the real failures of neoliberal policy off the hook.

Klein's argument is backward. If Democrats have a problem, it's that they didn't move left enough in economic power, labor rights, housing, and accountability for corporate capture -- you know, things that actually matter.

Ezra is living in reality of someone who lost the popular vote.

You are treating this like 2016.
 

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Why are you always posting these dog-shyt accounts? They're wrong anyway. On economics, they stayed business-friendly; on policing and immigration, they compromised constantly. They compromised on EVERY issue. The idea that modest progressive rhetoric = a "sharp left turn" is how the people bankrolling this "Deciding to Win" centrist bullshyt avoid admitting that material stagnation, disinformation, and culture wars -- not left policy -- drove voter shifts. They want to appease those forces, because it benefits *their* material gains.
 

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Ezra is living in reality of someone who lost the popular vote.

You are treating this like 2016.
Ezra is distorting reality. He is not using reason to support his conclusions. He made the conclusions first, then cherry-picked "facts" and framed events to fit the story he wanted to tell, rather than letting evidence guide his analysis. It's why everything he's saying should be ignored.
 

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I'm generally confused why so many members in here who don't live in nyc concerned about mamdani lol. Supposed democrats doing fox news work for them at this point
 

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At the end of the day, nothing is going to change until the American electorate gets tired of white nationalism. Which hasn't happened.

Otherwise Republicans just gonna keep winning based off of riling people up about DEI, CRT, etc. I agree that you shouldn't try to appease bigots, but I'm not naive enough to think talking about these issues in a certain way will make any difference. I don't think there's much Dems can do but wait for Trump to fukk things up worse. Right now he's still too popular.

There's also the social media aspect which I think doesn't get talked about enough. The right is dominant.
 

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I'm generally confused why so many members in here who don't live in nyc concerned about mamdani lol. Supposed democrats doing fox news work for them at this point
Haven’t you learned enough from having “Squad” politicians dominate national news cycles and complicating local democrats who aren’t in safe-blue districts polluting our ability to win?
 

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At the end of the day, nothing is going to change until the American electorate gets tired of white nationalism. Which hasn't happened.

Otherwise Republicans just gonna keep winning based off of riling people up about DEI, CRT, etc. I agree that you shouldn't try to appease bigots, but I'm not naive enough to think talking about these issues in a certain way will make any difference. I don't think there's much Dems can do but wait for Trump to fukk things up worse. Right now he's still too popular.

There's also the social media aspect which I think doesn't get talked about enough. The right is dominant.
White nationalism wont win you votes if people think you want to mutilate their children. Trump/MAGA is still strong with independents and minorities.

The biggest issue facing democrats nationally is transgenderism. Point Blank.
 

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Haven’t you learned enough from having “Squad” politicians dominate national news cycles and complicating local democrats who aren’t in safe-blue districts polluting our ability to win?
Yes last time this happened dems won the presidency house races senate? Almost like having popular figures is important :ohhh:
 

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White nationalism wont win you votes if people think you want to mutilate their children. Trump/MAGA is still strong with independents and minorities.

Why did Trump win in 2016 then? Nobody was really talking about this trans shyt then.

At the end of the day, the root cause of MAGA and core motivation is still backlash against Obama.
 
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