Democratic Party Rebuild

[Outlaw]

i placed winning the general election above it given the election results, i don't feel that was wrong. what did non-fracturing get us?

and i didn't think it was irreparable. kamala goes along with it, speaks directly to her supporters that stopping trump was most important

All these politicians are narcissists. At the time I couldn’t see Kamala being the bigger person and give up the chance to be the first female president in history. If she was forced to bow out she would go down kicking and screaming like Biden

 

[the cac mamba]

All these politicians are narcissists. At the time I couldn’t see Kamala being the bigger person and give up the chance to be the first female president in history. If she was forced to bow out she would go down kicking and screaming like Biden

it would have had to be the DNC voting. literally the same delegate process as they always do, but without the base voting for it. which could have been done, and would have been a legitimate show of support for the ticket. i'm pretty sure the DNC isn't actually bound to vote how their state votes in the primary; they just do that as a sign of faith. and kamala hadn't won anything herself

but hey, no use dwelling on it now

 

[Outlaw]

it would have had to be the DNC voting. literally the same delegate process as they always do, but without the base voting for it. which could have been done, and would have been a legitimate show of support for the ticket

but hey, no use dwelling on it

In a vacuum that would work but you have to keep in mind the Republicans use subversion to manipulate the democratic base. Through back channels on social media they would be amplifying that the nomination was stolen from a black woman, democrats are the real racists etc etc.

Basically someone like Tariq would become the biggest Kamala supporter to sow discord with his fan base if Gavin was selected over her at the DNC. I think it would have eroded Gavin’s support

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

If fundamentalist islam is rooted in anti liberalism and anti leftist values, should we be able to call it out honestly or should we have to prop it up because Republicans are mean to them?

You're creating a false binary where the only options are "prop it up" or "allow bigotry." No one's asking you to prop up anything. I'm saying if you're genuinely not hiding behind bad-faith generalizations about 1.8 billion people to excuse a bias, then you should be calling it out, not rationalizing it.

 

[the cac mamba]

In a vacuum that would work but you have to keep in mind the Republicans use subversion to manipulate the democratic base. Through back channels on social media they would be amplifying that the nomination was stolen from a black woman, democrats are the real racists etc etc.

Basically someone like Tariq would become the biggest Kamala support to sow discord with his fan base if Gavin was selected over her at the DNC. I think it would have eroded Gavin’s support

the real failure, of course, was not putting their foot down about biden running again. HE was the one they could have publicly humiliated, if he didn't agree not to seek a second term. "you either say you're not running again, or we do it for you". it really was not "his" decision, and it was disgusting to say it was

but i doubt the party nominates another late 70's president again. unless Bernie has one more run in him

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

What do you think happens when you say I’m a bigot? Shame? Regret? An awareness that I did something wrong?

You have given up on persuasion or mere argument and just resort to name calling.

OK. Now what?

Whats your favorite part about islam?

I made an argument. You ignored it, because you don't actually know how to engage with anything beyond dodging and deflecting. Go copy and paste more bullshyt from "Blocked and Reported" or r/Centrism, you empty vessel.

 

[Outlaw]

You're creating a false binary where the only options are "prop it up" or "allow bigotry." No one's asking you to prop up anything. I'm saying if you're genuinely not hiding behind bad-faith generalizations about 1.8 billion people to excuse a bias, then you should be calling it out, not rationalizing it.

If someone is “islamophobic” do you think someone is a bigot towards the person or the religion? I view religion as a choice, someone could stop practicing the religion at any time if they decide to in America.

If someone identifies as a fundamentalist muslim then they should carry the burden of what that religion represents because it’s a choice.

The same goes for any religion IMO, I’m just being specific because we’re talking about Islam.

I’m not being bad faith by the way, I’m just questioning the orthodoxy that liberals or leftist should be tolerant of those intolerant of us if the power dynamics were flipped.

Could you be a liberal/ have your values in Saudi Arabia or Iran?

 

[wire28]

You didn’t realize the potential for an irreparable fracture at the time? That’s the only reason people supported Kamala because most thought it was the most pragmatic choice given all the factors even if she wasn’t anyone’s first choice in a fair primary

Skipping over Kamala would have tested the wrath of the actual base of the party, black women. I know white men and some of our Allstars don’t care about them, but what they think matters.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Gotta call a spade a spade. This shyt was hard and Donald was definitely watching lol.

 

[Ozymandeas]

You didn’t realize the potential for an irreparable fracture at the time? That’s the only reason people supported Kamala because most thought it was the most pragmatic choice given all the factors even if she wasn’t anyone’s first choice in a fair primary

It's sad we gotta keep explaining that to grown adults. People are showing support to Mamdani because it's crip love at the end of the day but they couldn't do that for Kamala.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

If someone is “islamophobic” do you think someone is a bigot towards the person or the religion? I view religion as a choice, someone could stop practicing the religion at any time if they decide to in America.

If someone identifies as a fundamentalist muslim then they should carry the burden of what that religion represents because it’s a choice.

The same goes for any religion IMO, I’m just being specific because we’re talking about Islam.

I’m not being bad faith by the way, I’m just questioning the orthodoxy that liberals or leftist should be tolerant of those intolerant of us if the power dynamics were flipped.

Could you be a liberal/ have your values in Saudi Arabia or Iran?

You keep shifting the goal posts and throwing up irrelevant hypotheticals. Why do you refuse to engage with what I am actually saying?

I'm talking about real people in the US -- the vast majority of whom are *not* fundamentalists -- being treated as acceptable targets of prejudice by liberals who are increasingly becoming tolerant of selective bigotry. You're trying to conflate opposing that with supporting a religion. Your framing requires Islamophobia to be "honest criticism," and that's exactly the double standard I'm pointing out.

 

[Wolfpac]

Gotta call a spade a spade. This shyt was hard and Donald was definitely watching lol.

Probably made him choke on his double quarter pounder

 

[the cac mamba]

It's sad we gotta keep explaining that to grown adults.

so kamala being a black woman had to stand in the way of pointing out that EVERY single poll said "most voters hate the biden/harris economy". and when we had a chance to move past both individuals, we should have taken it. borne out by the fact that kamala proceeded to be utterly unable to separate herself from said economy, and got routed

and what if there was a fair and open primary, and she just flat out lost? is the party just supposed to coddle the loser's supporters every time? because we'll have to deal with that bigly in 2028

seems counterproductive

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I made an argument. You ignored it, because you don't actually know how to engage with anything beyond dodging and deflecting. Go copy and paste more bullshyt from "Blocked and Reported" or r/Centrism, you empty vessel.

Independents and polling indicates people think you want to mutilate their kids in swing elections.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You keep shifting the goal posts and throwing up irrelevant hypotheticals. Why do you refuse to engage with what I am actually saying?

I'm talking about real people in the US -- the vast majority of whom are *not* fundamentalists -- being treated as acceptable targets of prejudice by liberals who are increasingly becoming tolerant of selective bigotry. You're trying to conflate opposing that with supporting a religion. Your framing requires Islamophobia to be "honest criticism," and that's exactly the double standard I'm pointing out.

what is islamophobia?