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I knew a lot of this, but the rabbit hole runs deep. AIPAC uses a lot of black non-profits to infiltrate and get young politicians on board. Including 100 Black Men. They’ll never get a dollar from me.

I wish they would’ve included some information on AIPAC’s lead c00n lap dog Bakari Sellars.
 

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What Israel has done in Gaza is 100% genocide. No objective or rational person can deny or justify that fact.

The issue is with those who continue to throw their badge of moral superiority in the face of others. Their nobility has shined so bright, that they're blind to a simple fact - "you can't help someone else until you help yourself".

Right now, you can't help yourself because a group of self-serving and hateful people control all the levers of power. And they are spitting on and setting fire to any of the checks and guardrails that were created to prevent the very abuses of power they're currently relishing in. That was avoidable...

When you take a break and come down from the mountain top and realize everything is on fire - Who's going to speak up on your behalf and save you?
 

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I knew a lot of this, but the rabbit hole runs deep. AIPAC uses a lot of black non-profits to infiltrate and get young politicians on board. Including 100 Black Men. They’ll never get a dollar from me.

I wish they would’ve included some information on AIPAC’s lead c00n lap dog Bakari Sellars.
 

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What Israel has done in Gaza is 100% genocide. No objective or rational person can deny or justify that fact.

The issue is with those who continue to throw their badge of moral superiority in the face of others. Their nobility has shined so bright, that they're blind to a simple fact - "you can't help someone else until you help yourself".

Right now, you can't help yourself because a group of self-serving and hateful people control all the levers of power. And they are spitting on and setting fire to any of the checks and guardrails that were created to prevent the very abuses of power they're currently relishing in. That was avoidable...

When you take a break and come down from the mountain top and realize everything is on fire - Who's going to speak up on your behalf and save you?
This criticism should be directed at the Joe Biden administration and anyone who sanitized that genocide as routine geopolitics—not at voters. Democrat voters, have been consistent in their stance on these issues since Vietnam, who'd not consistent is the people who remain in power. Unfortunately, the Democratic establishment would rather welcome actual fascists and their supporters into the House than support members of their own caucus. We're currently running a 78-year-old elderly woman in Maine who said Susan Collins did a great job, and New York's congressional leadership still hasn't endorsed Mamdani. If anyone is self-serving, it's the Democratic leadership in power.
 

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What Israel has done in Gaza is 100% genocide. No objective or rational person can deny or justify that fact.

The issue is with those who continue to throw their badge of moral superiority in the face of others. Their nobility has shined so bright, that they're blind to a simple fact - "you can't help someone else until you help yourself".

Right now, you can't help yourself because a group of self-serving and hateful people control all the levers of power. And they are spitting on and setting fire to any of the checks and guardrails that were created to prevent the very abuses of power they're currently relishing in. That was avoidable...

When you take a break and come down from the mountain top and realize everything is on fire - Who's going to speak up on your behalf and save you?
This is the crux of the issue though. I personally agree with you that sometimes you have to put your oxygen mask on first etc. But I also agree with people who feel like “If i can’t trust you to defend a genocide, i can’t trust you to defend me either.” I have a really hard time blaming the people for politicians being shytty at their job. ESPECIALLY when there was never even a primary in order to parse out these very important issues.
 

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This criticism should be directed at the Joe Biden administration and anyone who sanitized that genocide as routine geopolitics—not at voters. Democrat voters, have been consistent in their stance on these issues since Vietnam, who'd not consistent is the people who remain in power. Unfortunately, the Democratic establishment would rather welcome actual fascists and their supporters into the House than support members of their own caucus. We're currently running a 78-year-old elderly woman in Maine who said Susan Collins did a great job, and New York's congressional leadership still hasn't endorsed Mamdani. If anyone is self-serving, it's the Democratic leadership in power.
I'm not going to defend Joe Biden's handling of Israel and as a veteran of a foreign war, I'm not going to attempt to re-litigate any other foreign wars.

What I will say is, there is a lot more nuance in international conflict than simply taking a stance on what is "right" vs. "wrong". Your elected officials have a responsibility to put this country and its citizens first - unfortunately that responsibility can be leveraged to their own benefit or weighed heavily in their on bias. But that responsibility means putting some other country or people second.

Biden only had options that would slow Israel and Netanyahu not all out stop him - and I'll wholeheartedly admit right along side of you that he didn't fully utilize the majority of those options. But the only way he was going to stop what was taking place was through threats of military conflict with Israel or clandestine operations to sabotage its offensive efforts. We know that was not going to happen.
 

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This is the crux of the issue though. I personally agree with you that sometimes you have to put your oxygen mask on first etc. But I also agree with people who feel like “If i can’t trust you to defend a genocide, i can’t trust you to defend me either.” I have a really hard time blaming the people for politicians being shytty at their job. ESPECIALLY when there was never even a primary in order to parse out these very important issues.
That's fair.

But I contend that its a lot easier to work through simple incompetence, being out of touch or bad ideology than it is to work through racism, bigotry and accelerationism. Unfortunately, that was the game of "devil you know" we were playing.
 

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I'm not going to defend Joe Biden's handling of Israel and as a veteran of a foreign war, I'm not going to attempt to re-litigate any other foreign wars.

What I will say is, there is a lot more nuance in international conflict than simply taking a stance on what is "right" vs. "wrong". Your elected officials have a responsibility to put this country and its citizens first - unfortunately that responsibility can be leveraged to their own benefit or weighed heavily in their on bias. But that responsibility means putting some other country or people second.

Biden only had options that would slow Israel and Netanyahu not all out stop him - and I'll wholeheartedly admit right along side of you that he didn't fully utilize the majority of those options. But the only way he was going to stop what was taking place was through threats of military conflict with Israel or clandestine operations to sabotage its offensive efforts. We know that was not going to happen.
There’s really no nuance when the United States is funding its client state to murder and bomb civilians. The U.S. is the one footing the bill here. The people who put the Biden administration in power didn’t do so to enable the murder of tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children without accountability.

Our elected politicians clearly didn’t put this country first—considering they sent tens of billions to Israel to bomb civilians. This level of destruction does nothing but make us less safe. You can’t just slaughter people’s families and not expect some kind of blowback in the future, whether that’s another 9/11 or civilians being murdered overseas.

Nuanced conversations made more sense in places like Syria, where the choice was between Assad and terrorists—not between state-sanctioned murder and silence. Biden had the option to cut all weapons sales to Israel. He had the option to lead his party away from genocide, like every other first-world nation did by January 2024. Instead, he chose to use the bully pulpit to justify why Israel was slaughtering innocent civilians—including the family members of U.S. citizens. Once again the voters aren't in the wrong here and I voted for kamala myself. I made a choice, I felt like trump would be worse which he is but its the biden administration that made this an issue in the first place for many.
 

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I'm not going to defend Joe Biden's handling of Israel and as a veteran of a foreign war, I'm not going to attempt to re-litigate any other foreign wars.

What I will say is, there is a lot more nuance in international conflict than simply taking a stance on what is "right" vs. "wrong". Your elected officials have a responsibility to put this country and its citizens first - unfortunately that responsibility can be leveraged to their own benefit or weighed heavily in their on bias. But that responsibility means putting some other country or people second.

Biden only had options that would slow Israel and Netanyahu not all out stop him - and I'll wholeheartedly admit right along side of you that he didn't fully utilize the majority of those options. But the only way he was going to stop what was taking place was through threats of military conflict with Israel or clandestine operations to sabotage its offensive efforts. We know that was not going to happen.
Thank you for your service.
 

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There’s really no nuance when the United States is funding its client state to murder and bomb civilians. The U.S. is the one footing the bill here. The people who put the Biden administration in power didn’t do so to enable the murder of tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children without accountability.

Our elected politicians clearly didn’t put this country first—considering they sent tens of billions to Israel to bomb civilians. This level of destruction does nothing but make us less safe. You can’t just slaughter people’s families and not expect some kind of blowback in the future, whether that’s another 9/11 or civilians being murdered overseas.

Nuanced conversations made more sense in places like Syria, where the choice was between Assad and terrorists—not between state-sanctioned murder and silence. Biden had the option to cut all weapons sales to Israel. He had the option to lead his party away from genocide, like every other first-world nation did by January 2024. Instead, he chose to use the bully pulpit to justify why Israel was slaughtering innocent civilians—including the family members of U.S. citizens. Once again the voters aren't in the wrong here and I voted for kamala myself. I made a choice, I felt like trump would be worse which he is but its the biden administration that made this an issue in the first place for many.
In all of that, you're forgetting the level of Jewish influence in this country. People are literally posting about Booker's affiliation with AIPAC.

You have to factor that into the conversations.

Trump finally caught a W for being in the right place at the right time because all sides of this conflict are exhausted and ready for it to be over because its not sustainable.
 

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That's fair.

But I contend that its a lot easier to work through simple incompetence, being out of touch or bad ideology than it is to work through racism, bigotry and accelerationism. Unfortunately, that was the game of "devil you know" we were playing.
Yeah we’ve been down that rabbit hole already. At minimum if you see both parties as enemies to your ultimate goal, your goal should’ve been to face off against the easier/more reasonable enemy. Some willfully chose the more racist, corrupt and unreasonable option.
 

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In all of that, you're forgetting the level of Jewish influence in this country. People are literally posting about Booker's affiliation with AIPAC.

You have to factor that into the conversations.

Trump finally caught a W for being in the right place at the right time because all sides of this conflict are exhausted and ready for it to be over because its not sustainable.
Im not forgetting about aipac and the financial critique—that’s exactly my point. This isn’t like 2016, where both progressives and moderates made missteps. This situation is entirely different. The blame doesn’t fall on the voters this time; the party made a calculated decision to side with donors and Christian nationalism over its own constituents. Some of those constitutes decided to tell the party of civil rights to go fukk themselves. The State of Israel, broadly speaking, functions as a white ethnostate, which fundamentally clashes with democratic principles. It’s a state where civil rights simply don’t exist for an entire segment of the population.
 

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Im not forgetting about aipac and the financial critique—that’s exactly my point. This isn’t like 2016, where both progressives and moderates made missteps. This situation is entirely different. The blame doesn’t fall on the voters this time; the party made a calculated decision to side with donors and Christian nationalism over its own constituents. Some of those constitutes decided to tell the party of civil rights to go fukk themselves. The State of Israel, broadly speaking, functions as a white ethnostate, which fundamentally clashes with democratic principles. It’s a state where civil rights simply don’t exist for an entire segment of the population.
And most of those constitutes will be at their local No Kings rally this weekend...see the irony yet?
 
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