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This idea that the median voter aligns with the cac mamba is nonsensical lol. I remind you that Joe biden had the most voted in us history 4 years ago :dead:.
oh, you mean the guy i supported in the primary, and we went on to win the election, while you were pushing unserious losers like Liz Warren? :mjgrin:

your disdain for me aside, what kind of politician do you think the median voter supports in this country?
 

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I mean, all your references so far have been to one poster. Would it be fair if I said Nap or TCM is representative of more centrist posters?
It’s about 4-5 of them. I have admitted I do have to remind myself they don’t represent the normal, offline non algo pilled person.

Have you seen some of the vile garbage that they've posted on here?
No I’m not familiar with their work :troll:
 

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My unserious loser helped him win :mjgrin:
:unimpressed: yeah, thank god for that liz warren endorsement out of massachusetts. huge game changer

i'm confused who you think the median voter is in this country. forget about me, i'm just some random dikkhead. who is the median american voter, and what kind of politician do they want to see in power/put in power, in the states that decide national elections?
 

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I don’t agree with @the cac mamba on immigration, he’s to my right on a lot of issues but it’s my belief that the median voter share his views.

Do you regularly talk to non progressive white men about politics? Normie white men make @the cac mamba look like Bernie Sanders in comparison.

I’m not saying I wish cac was the median voter, it’s just my assumption that he is based off of my experience talking politics with acquaintances and living in a swing state .

If what I’m saying is close to being accurate then we can either ignore people like Cac and lose the middle ground or find a way to bring him in without sacrificing what the democrats core mission should be
Big tent party FTW :blessed:

From anti war heroes like MTG and Tucker Carlson to angry white men with curious relationships with minorities like platner and sanders to everyone in between :ahh:
 

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This idea that the median voter aligns with the cac mamba is nonsensical lol. I remind you that Joe biden had the most voted in us history 4 years ago :dead:.

I mean, it's not a ridiculous argument. We cannot build a winning coalition without people who believe the things TCM believes.

In an election where a lot of polls said that the biggest concern they had was costs, they voted in a guy who was promising tariffs and mass deportations. That is not a country that understands issues on a policy level.

Trump was skipping PDB's in his first term, clearly didn't understand the issue of healthcare, was obviously a moron, and launched a coup to end it all. Then, he ran his 2024 second campaign like an absolute lunatic, promised to end complicated wars on his first day in office (Israel/Palestine, Russia/Ukraine), and also promised to prosecute his political enemies.

If the median voter is not TCM, how does this guy win a plurality of votes in 2024? I don't think Americans are as bright or progressive as you seem to be giving them credit for.
 

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I mean, it's not a ridiculous argument. We cannot build a winning coalition without people who believe the things TCM believes.

In an election where a lot of polls said that the biggest concern they had was costs, they voted in a guy who was promising tariffs and mass deportations. That is not a country that understands issues on a policy level.

Trump was skipping PDB's in his first term, clearly didn't understand the issue of healthcare, was obviously a moron, and launched a coup to end it all. Then, he ran his 2024 second campaign like an absolute lunatic, promised to end complicated wars on his first day in office (Israel/Palestine, Russia/Ukraine), and also promised to prosecute his political enemies.

If the median voter is not TCM, how does this guy win a plurality of votes in 2024? I don't think Americans are as bright or progressive as you seem to be giving them credit for.

I mean, it's not a ridiculous argument. We cannot build a winning coalition without people who believe the things TCM believes.

In an election where a lot of polls said that the biggest concern they had was costs, they voted in a guy who was promising tariffs and mass deportations. That is not a country that understands issues on a policy level.

Trump was skipping PDB's in his first term, clearly didn't understand the issue of healthcare, was obviously a moron, and launched a coup to end it all. Then, he ran his 2024 second campaign like an absolute lunatic, promised to end complicated wars on his first day in office (Israel/Palestine, Russia/Ukraine), and also promised to prosecute his political enemies.

If the median voter is not TCM, how does this guy win a plurality of votes in 2024? I don't think Americans are as bright or progressive as you seem to be giving them credit for.
Trump is seen as anti-establishment. He tells poor Americans what they want to hear—whether or not we agree it's the right way to think. He speaks to the most disillusioned, and yes, sometimes the least informed, and says: “The system is broken, and I’m the guy to fix it.”

His solutions often strike me as nonsensical, but unlike Democrats, he doesn’t try to convince people that the system is working as intended. Democrats defend the status quo. They don’t run on calling out corruption. They don’t name the people who led us into the fire. That’s why Trump was able to galvanize the poor—because they’ve been waiting for a message of change.

And let’s be honest: that same message of change is what made Obama popular before Trump. The average voter doesn’t care about convoluted policy—they care about material improvements. Say it plainly: Medicare for All. Free healthcare for everyone. A $15 minimum wage. A national reeducation program. Two years of free college for all. That’s how you win hearts. That’s how you build momentum. TCM only cares about what outfit and booty shorts the latest tranny is wearing. Hes not the average voter. Most people are trying to figure out how they're going to pay their bills. Trump out populism kamala on no tax on tips
 

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Trump is seen as anti-establishment. He tells poor Americans what they want to hear—whether or not we agree it's the right way to think. He speaks to the most disillusioned, and yes, sometimes the least informed, and says: “The system is broken, and I’m the guy to fix it.”

His solutions often strike me as nonsensical, but unlike Democrats, he doesn’t try to convince people that the system is working as intended. Democrats defend the status quo. They don’t run on calling out corruption. They don’t name the people who led us into the fire. That’s why Trump was able to galvanize the poor—because they’ve been waiting for a message of change.

And let’s be honest: that same message of change is what made Obama popular before Trump. The average voter doesn’t care about convoluted policy—they care about material improvements. Say it plainly: Medicare for All. Free healthcare for everyone. A $15 minimum wage. A national reeducation program. Two years of free college for all. That’s how you win hearts. That’s how you build momentum. TCM only cares about what outfit and booty shorts the latest tranny is wearing. Hes not the average voter. Most people are trying to figure out how they're going to pay their bills. Trump out populism kamala on no tax on tips

Look, I would agree with you if this was his first election. But this f*cker was President for four years already. What did he do except cut taxes for the rich and try to strip them of their healthcare? They had four years to witness that he didn't give a shyt about them. In his first term, he governed pretty much like a traditional Republican.

I agree with you about the change candidacy portion of what you're saying, and maybe I buy this argument (on a minimal level) in 2016, but there is little to no excuse for them voting for him again in 2024.

I think our coalition can survive without the Naps. But I don't buy that we can survive as a party if we lose all the TCM's.
 

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Look, I would agree with you if this was his first election. But this f*cker was President for four years already. What did he do except cut taxes for the rich and try to strip them of their healthcare? They had four years to witness that he didn't give a shyt about them. In his first term, he governed pretty much like a traditional Republican.

I agree with you about the change candidacy portion of what you're saying, and maybe I buy this argument (on a minimal level) in 2016, but there is little to no excuse for them voting for him again in 2024.

I think our coalition can survive without the Naps. But I don't buy that we can survive as a party if we lose all the TCM's.
Inflation and the ecomomy made people outside of maga delusional, and i can't blame them i been documenting since 2021 how it would destroy biden's candidacy. The average voting populace have the memory of a goldfish, all they last remembered was trump handing our checks to help people pay their bills. I think once you stop giving the average voter so much credit you begin to understand why they make the decisions they do. While I think its ridiculous and treasonous that they elected him again it makes sense when you think about it
 

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You're not criticizing her politics,
No, breh. My post is literally criticizing her politics. Why? Because unlike most of the people who blindly clap up the shyt she says, I know her politics. I read her congressional webpage and saw nothing on there on issues she supports.


Outside of bills for farmers, she isn't making much waves except being one of many cosponsers in bills. She is a run of the mill democratic elected official, except she talks good shyt.

I am insulted that you compared my post to the garbage of what Trump says, and not a standing criticism of general liberal symbolism which is generally what she does in congress.

And her politics are basically the same as Hakeem Jordan, right down to the Israel support. (She even room her mom on an all expenses paid trip to Israel from some AIPAC-like org in 2023.)
 

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Look, I would agree with you if this was his first election. But this f*cker was President for four years already. What did he do except cut taxes for the rich and try to strip them of their healthcare? They had four years to witness that he didn't give a shyt about them. In his first term, he governed pretty much like a traditional Republican.

I agree with you about the change candidacy portion of what you're saying, and maybe I buy this argument (on a minimal level) in 2016, but there is little to no excuse for them voting for him again in 2024.

I think our coalition can survive without the Naps. But I don't buy that we can survive as a party if we lose all the TCM's.
Unfortunately (again understanding they represent a minority) these guys think you can just keep going around saying fukk all your allies/people most closely aligned with you politically and make it up on the back end with first time voters. He argues on here everyday with @Outlaw and wouldn’t lose a wink of sleep losing his vote hoping to get somebody that hasn’t voted before in their life instead.

It’s the same reason why they throw AOC in the trash every few months and will do the same to Zohran when he has to work with the establishment dems to actually get something done.

Luckily most people realize winning involves working with people you only agree with 90% of the time. Otherwise you’ll just keep canceling everyone and be ass out when it’s election time. For people that complain about the establishment dismissing them they are just as dismissive of anyone else they don’t think fits in their box (and ironically seem more welcoming to convert MAGA people than work with anti MAGA people).
 

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Look, I would agree with you if this was his first election. But this f*cker was President for four years already. What did he do except cut taxes for the rich and try to strip them of their healthcare? They had four years to witness that he didn't give a shyt about them. In his first term, he governed pretty much like a traditional Republican.

I agree with you about the change candidacy portion of what you're saying, and maybe I buy this argument (on a minimal level) in 2016, but there is little to no excuse for them voting for him again in 2024.

I think our coalition can survive without the Naps. But I don't buy that we can survive as a party if we lose all the TCM's.
It’s a shytty argument. In 2016 they had the slimmest excuse but anyone with a brain and who paid attention to all the racist shyt and failed ventures Trump had on record decades prior could have made the determination being president would just be the next failed venture.

In 2024 there was no excuse. And everyone forgets just because he didn’t win, a shyt load of people voted for him in 2020 so this was the third time people were dumbasses.

They voted for hate and to uphold white supremacy in its agonal gasps under the veil of economic anxiety.
 

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No, breh. My post is literally criticizing her politics. Why? Because unlike most of the people who blindly clap up the shyt she says, I know her politics. I read her congressional webpage and saw nothing on there on issues she supports.


Outside of bills for farmers, she isn't making much waves except being one of many cosponsers in bills. She is a run of the mill democratic elected official, except she talks good shyt.

I am insulted that you compared my post to the garbage of what Trump says, and not a standing criticism of general liberal symbolism which is generally what she does in congress.

And her politics are basically the same as Hakeem Jordan, right down to the Israel support. (She even room her mom on an all expenses paid trip to Israel from some AIPAC-like org in 2023.)
Her policies are dog shyt, I guess i kind of give her a pass for at least running in a red state. Hakeem doesn't even govern from a red states which makes his case significantly worse
 

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A key ally of Zohran Mamdani has said the mayoral frontrunner’s socialist policy agenda, estimated to cost about $10 billion annually, “doesn’t hold up” financially.

Bill de Blasio, the former New York mayor, endorsed Mamdani in early September, becoming one of the earliest establishment Democrats to publicly back the 34-year-old state assemblyman’s campaign.

De Blasio, 64, said he had since reviewed Mamdani’s proposals and concluded the sums did not work. :wow:

“While the ambition is admirable, the cost estimates — reportedly exceeding $7 billion annually — rest on optimistic assumptions… about eliminating waste and raising revenue through new taxes,” de Blasio told The Times. “In my view, the math doesn’t hold up under scrutiny, and the political hurdles are substantial.” :dead:

Mamdani is running on an ambitious package of free buses, universal childcare, city-run grocery stores, rent freezes and education reform that his campaign estimates will cost about $10 billion a year.

He has proposed a 2 per cent tax increase on those earning more than $1 million per year and raising the corporate tax rate to 11.5 per cent to pay for the majority of his agenda.

Zohran Mamdani, a Democratic candidate for New York City Mayor, posing for a selfie with a supporter.
Mamdani out canvassing in Manhattan this week
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Economists have said that the true cost of enacting his proposals is likely to be billions of dollars more than estimated, and noted that the campaign had yet to publish a detailed financing plan. Several major policies, including eliminating tuition fees at the City University of New York and the capital cost of building new bus lanes, have been advanced with no accompanying cost estimates.

Ken Girardin, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a conservative think tank, said Mamdani exemplified a wider trend of politicians making “vast promises without realistic funding plans”.

“What we are watching is the peril of politicians being able to make massive programme proposals without explaining how those proposals will be funded,” he said.

“That is not a problem unique to Mamdani — it is a broader trend in government.” The campaign, he argued, “absolutely does not have a plan” to pay for the agenda.

• NYC mayor election polls: latest predictions for mayoral race

Many of Mamdani’s proposals also depend on raising taxes — measures that would require approval from politicians in Albany and from Kathy Hochul, the Democratic governor, who has repeatedly ruled out tax increases on businesses and high earners. Hochul has more recently indicated she might seek alternative funding for some priorities, such as universal childcare, without raising taxes.

Since Mamdani won the Democratic primary in June and emerged as the general election frontrunner, criticism has mounted from across the party.

Larry Summers, the Harvard economist and former US treasury secretary under Bill Clinton, accused Mamdani in July of promoting “Trotskyite economic policies”.

Hakeem Jeffries, the top Democrat in the House of Representatives who belatedly endorsed Mamdani last week, has also expressed concerns about how he would pay for his policies. “We’ve got to figure out, moving forward, how we turn proposals into actual plans so that he is successful if he becomes the next mayor,” Jeffries said in August.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio at a news conference.
De Blasio with Andrew Cuomo in 2020, when both were in office
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John Fetterman, the Democratic senator for Pennsylvania, has called his platform wish list a “gift to the Republicans”.

David Paterson, the former Democratic governor of New York, said in a statement in July that Mamdani was offering “ideas without a plan for implementation or funding” that would not help families struggling to make ends meet.

• Who is Zohran Mamdani’s wife? Artist fighting ‘American imperialism’

Mark Cuban, the billionaire tech entrepreneur and Democratic donor, likened Mamdani’s rhetoric to President Trump’s claim that Mexico would pay for a wall on the US southern border.

“This guy is walking in telling me he’s going to walk on water. He’s going to make me more money, he’s going to save me money, he’s going to make my life better,” Cuban told the Pod Save America podcast in July.

“That’s classic Trump strategy. Is it true? Does it matter?”

De Blasio was mayor of New York from 2014 to 2021 and secured his signature achievement — a free pre-school programme for three and four-year-olds — after months of wrangling with Andrew Cuomo, the then-governor and now one of Mamdani’s rivals in the mayoral race.

The policy cost about $300 million when it launched in 2014, a fraction of the $5 to $7 billion that Mamdani is proposing for childcare alone. De Blasio added that Mamdani would need multiple terms in office to bring his agenda to fruition even if funding were secured.

Mamdani’s campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

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