Democratic Party Rebuild

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As we’ve stated before outside of the 10 people on here that are obsessed with this shyt, random nikkas in (insert city you live) don’t know or care about Mamdani, neoliberal bluemaga shills or any of this other shyt discussed on here on the daily.

When isolated to this board however I do agree it’s a two way street.

One side encouraged ppl to vote 3rd party, sit out the election and complain about the nominee knowing Trump was gonna set back civil rights for black ppl if he got in vs. ppl who actually supported the nominee and knew what was at stake if ppl didn’t show up to the polls.

It is what is is.
 

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In last 15 years

Moderate ideology which is the party's ideology has:

Lost 2 presidential elections
Lost 3 supreme court seats
Lost super majority in the senate now permanent minority possibly
Lost crucial governor races
Shrinking map in the house

Maybe I'm tripping but the ideology doesn't appear to be shaped around winning

Please show us the huge wins and accomplishments from the far left.

I’ll wait.

:russ:
 

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Please show us the huge wins and accomplishments from the far left.

I’ll wait.

:russ:
Pretty much all social programs are from the " far left" what are you even arguing idiot lol :dead:

Congrats we got a b*stardize version of social safety nets in Obama care that is crumbling from moderate thinking. We sure are about winning, so much winning
 

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Dems are lucky that the Trump aspect of the Epstein saga is drowning out everything else. There are three separate situations that would otherwise have the "Dems in disarray" headline

As a local who saw Chuy as a progressive, what he did is pretty indefensible from a honesty perspective. He hid his retirement from everyone so that his chief of staff basically snuck in b4 the deadline as his replacement

Another Democrat in Florida stole $5m in Covid Funds:

Also the Stacey Plaskett situation that yall are already familiar with.


They should distance themselves from all three instead of just the stolen $$ imo
 

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This is a two way street though. Look how many centrist/moderates on here are salivating over the prospect of Mandani failing. Why would actual democrats be rooting for him to fail?

Even if he's not your brand of Democrat, why would it be a bad thing for the party if he is successful?
Who is rooting for him to fail?
 

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Check out the Mandani thread, Nap and TCM are practically jizzing at the thought of him failing. They post more about him than the progressive posters do, it's weird. And those are just the posters I remember off head.
Check the Cory bush thread, people was ecstatic aipac was spending 10 million + to get progressives out of office. Aoc thread, hell this thread.
 

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Check out the Mandani thread, Nap and TCM are practically jizzing at the thought of him failing. They post more about him than the progressive posters do, it's weird. And those are just the posters I remember off head.
I wouldn’t say they’re the moderates, they’re the conservative wing of who would vote democrat
 

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I think the frustration y'all have with progressives is also based in policy; more specifically, the inherent moral language and implicit critique you feel when progressives aggressively argue on behalf of their policy and worldview. There is a stark difference is how tolerable y'all think the status quo is, which is why when a progressive says universal healthcare or anti-genocide policies cannot wait, and anyone - regardless of political party affiliation - who stands in its way is an enemy of progress, you feel the heat of that shot because you have decided to put yourself in front of the gun instead of behind it because you first and foremost align yourself with the tepid "adult in the room" brand of the Democratic Party and engage in a parasocial relationship with the Democratic Party's representatives.

It’s bad strategy to attack from your left flank when you’re getting destroyed from the right flank.

Modern conservatism needs to be destroyed as an ideal before any of your socialist/progressive projects can take hold institutionally.

This is what you don’t understand. You’re debating on how our electoral politics should be and I’m arguing for clarity on how it is. None of your social programs will be legislated until it becomes untenable to be a Republican as it is currently constructed.

How do you think we’ll be able to pass universal healthcare if 40-60% of the legislative body/ Supreme Court thinks it’s authoritarian communism?
Seemingly, all you want is for progressives to just stop yelling at Democrats, but why would they when Democrats are also acting against the interest of the progressive worldview? You guys just want to go back to the early Obama era where there was no criticism coming from your left flank and you could easily construe yourself as the heroes of history. By denying that Republicans are an immutable force of evil in the politics of this country, you reveal the fact that you're living in an antiquated fantasy, and I think the cause of the delusion is that your prime objective is to protect the Democratic Party brand, even over the wellbeing of the people. The moral and political landscape has shifted and you're refusing to acknowledge it. You're trying to appeal to the logic and morality of Nazis (Republicans) instead of realizing the only solution is to take them out.

It is only when you accept this structural truth that you will understand the words of Dr. King:
I guess we’re both delusional because you can’t hold power in a democracy when 50% of the country are Republicans or vote Republican.

The strategy should be how do you make that ideology toxic so that the Overton window moves to the left, instead of backstabbing the only party that standing in between you and Christian nationalist fascist state
 

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It’s bad strategy to attack from your left flank when you’re getting destroyed from the right flank.

Finally we agree, we should tell the leaders including 150 dem representatives that just voted with republicans to stop attacking the left flank. Teaming up with republicans to paint a major party of your party as a bad thing is terrible politics
 

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If you can’t even admit that you’re a socialist then you know the branding is toxic. You don’t play obtuse.
Me branding myself anything has nothing to do with the topic of dems attacking their left flank, dog are you on the spectrum? Seriously lol.

I could call myself a communist it wouldn't mean anything
 
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