Democratic Party Rebuild

[Pressure]

It all needs to be abolished and rebuilt, you can't change how DHS operates without tearing it all down. Stephen Miller already is running DHS

Just shyt the fukk up. You haven’t given a single fukk about ice for 25 years.

 

[Pressure]

The fun part is the left said Hillary couldn’t win because it would stifle the lefts movement and that a Trump election would usher in a new wave.

It gave us Joe Biden.

And if democracy still exists it’s going to give us jd Vance or another moderate.

Hey you all are stupid.

 

[Loose]

The fun part is the left said Hillary couldn’t win because it would stifle the lefts movement and that a Trump election would usher in a new wave.

It gave us Joe Biden.

And if democracy still exists it’s going to give us jd Vance or another moderate.

Hey you all are stupid.

Who this pretend left you talking abou? Guy just be arguing with himself. Total mental head case

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

"Abolish ICE" is a nonstarter. That slogan is too toxic and too easy to distort. All you're going to end up doing is defending what you don't mean instead of communicating what you want. It should be simpler to just explain what you mean than trying to use a catch-all slogan. I understand that it is emotionally and morally potent, but we need to be asking if it is politically durable.

Just start by communicating: Immigration enforcement needs to rebuilt from the ground up.

Talk about ending mass detention and militarized enforcement.

Talk about how immigration law is civil, not criminal.

Advocate for moving to a civilian immigration system focused on law, dignity, and safety.

You can acknowledge that an enforcement apparatus should exist for violent actors or genuine threats, but that it needs to be narrow in scope, transparent through strong oversight, accountable, and not under the control of a single entity.

You can sell this by communicating the difference between someone who overstayed a visa and someone who committed a violent felony and how our system treats them too similarly.

I think it's easier to persuade people that way than just signaling to them with a slogan.

 

[acri1]

I think people overestimate the importance of these slogans. People know how they feel about Trump and ICE.

Somebody that's generally hostile towards nonwhite immigrants (which is a huge portion of the electorate) is going to find a reason to vote Republican regardless. Whether Dems run on "Abolish ICE" or "We're not that much different than Trump" won't matter.

I'd rather Dem candidates run on whatever they think is actually the best policy (whether that be abolishing ICE or not) and make their case to the voters, rather than trying to run on what they think will offend the least amount of people.

 

[wire28]

"Abolish ICE" is a nonstarter. That slogan is too toxic and too easy to distort. All you're going to end up doing is defending what you don't mean instead of communicating what you want. It should be simpler to just explain what you mean than trying to use a catch-all slogan. I understand that it is emotionally and morally potent, but we need to be asking if it is politically durable.

Just start by communicating: Immigration enforcement needs to rebuilt from the ground up.

Talk about ending mass detention and militarized enforcement.

Talk about how immigration law is civil, not criminal.

Advocate for moving to a civilian immigration system focused on law, dignity, and safety.

You can acknowledge that an enforcement apparatus should exist for violent actors or genuine threats, but that it needs to be narrow in scope, transparent through strong oversight, accountable, and not under the control of a single entity.

You can sell this by communicating the difference between someone who overstayed a visa and someone who committed a violent felony and how our system treats them too similarly.

I think it's easier to persuade people that way than just signaling to them with a slogan.

That’s the problem with you neoliberal blue MAGA scum

 

[wire28]

Political scholar Mr. Hassan takes on cultural icon LeBron James in this scathing assessment of black Americas hero

Let the rebuild continue

 

[Loose]

"Abolish ICE" is a nonstarter. That slogan is too toxic and too easy to distort. All you're going to end up doing is defending what you don't mean

Wym by this ? Because I'm pretty sure people actually do believe ice should be abolished after slaughtering 10+ civilians this year. Now if your ideology is coming from a place that believe in ICE the presidents personal paramilitary like Hakeem I agree it is a nonstarter.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Wym by this ? Because I'm pretty sure people actually do believe ice should be abolished after slaughtering 10+ civilians this year. Now if your ideology is coming from a place that believe in ICE the presidents personal paramilitary like Hakeem I agree it is a nonstarter.

I said what I mean. Read my entire post.

 

[wire28]

Just so we are all on the same page, none of these people are worthy of our votes and if they win the primary we should vote third party @Pressure @Outlaw

Let the rebuild continue

 

[Hood Critic]

Once people conceded there was an "immigration problem", that effectively took any conversation of abolishing ICE off the table.

 

[Loose]

I said what I mean. Read my entire post.

I read your post, its effectively just sane washing the role the DHS is currently playing. Like I said , for YOU abolish ice is not starter because you believe in the institution. We don't need a page of drivel of you defending them. The entire purpose of ICE is broken and has been since the day it was spun off. For you, you're completely ok with ICE having the ability to violate individuals civil rights as long as immigration reinforcement is transparent. This line of thinking is how they are able to do what they're currently doing in the first place

 

[wire28]

Let’s get real until we have Dems that are willing to sit down on camera and say something about ICE needs to change, we are going no where

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[Pull Up the Roots]

I read your post, its effectively just sane washing the role the DHS is currently playing. Like I said , for YOU abolish ice is not starter because you believe in the institution. We don't need a page of drivel of you defending them. The entire purpose of ICE is broken and has been since the day it was spun off. For you, you're completely ok with ICE having the ability to violate individuals civil rights as long as immigration reinforcement is transparent. This line of thinking is how they are able to do what they're currently doing in the first place

I'm not defending DHS. I'm saying enforcement *will* exist in some form in any state. The question is whether it's what we have now (militarized, unaccountable, and abusive) or civil (with strong oversight). Arguing for structural redesign isn't tantamount to sanewashing. It's understanding that you're going to have to govern.

Walk me through "Abolish ICE." Explain its conclusion.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

I read your post, its effectively just sane washing the role the DHS is currently playing. Like I said , for YOU abolish ice is not starter because you believe in the institution. We don't need a page of drivel of you defending them. The entire purpose of ICE is broken and has been since the day it was spun off. For you, you're completely ok with ICE having the ability to violate individuals civil rights as long as immigration reinforcement is transparent. This line of thinking is how they are able to do what they're currently doing in the first place

His post literally says that immigration enforcement needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

If Im understanding him right, that means that ICE will have to be abolished, just with better political messaging. And yes, the messaging matters.