Democratic Party Rebuild

[mastermind]

Who this pretend left you talking abou? Guy just be arguing with himself. Total mental head case

That’s what he does. Man basically writes drunk posts where he hears something in his bathroom and shares it here.

The Biden admin failure broke him.

 

[Outlaw]

Just so we are all on the same page, none of these people are worthy of our votes and if they win the primary we should vote third party @Pressure @Outlaw

Let the rebuild continue

@Robbie3000 @Loose

Thoughts on Newsom not taking AIPAC money?

 

[Loose]

@Robbie3000 @Loose

Thoughts on Newsom not taking AIPAC money?

You can be a zionist without taking a dime from aipac.

 

[Loose]

His post literally says that immigration enforcement needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

The entire department needs to be destroyed, defunded, abolished , erased whatever you want to call it who cares it needs to go.

If Im understanding him right, that means that ICE will have to be abolished, just with better political messaging. And yes, the messaging matters.

There’s no real political message behind “shutting down ICE.” You either believe the systemic problems that allow a president like Trump to use DHS as a personal paramilitary force are a problem, or you don’t. You either believe that DHS having the power to wipe its ass with the Constitution is a problem, or you don’t. This isn’t something we should be workshopping with McKinsey & Company. You either believe the department, as it currently exists, functions as a proto‑authoritarian enforcement arm or you don’t. This is the Pete Buttigieg style of politics, trying to tinker around the edges of a broken system by landing safely in the middle.

 

[Robbie3000]

@Robbie3000 @Loose

Thoughts on Newsom not taking AIPAC money?

Zionists have ways of distributing money bros AIPAC. That’s what makes them so effective. So I’ll have to look more into who is funding him and his actual positions when the election starts.

I am not very optimistic to say the least. I will say, any candidate that flies to Israel to make out with that damn wall is a non starter.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

The entire department needs to be destroyed, defunded, abolished , erased whatever you want to call it who cares it needs to go.

There’s no real political message behind “shutting down ICE.” You either believe the systemic problems that allow a president like Trump to use DHS as a personal paramilitary force are a problem, or you don’t. You either believe that DHS having the power to wipe its ass with the Constitution is a problem, or you don’t. This isn’t something we should be workshopping with McKinsey & Company. You either believe the department, as it currently exists, functions as a proto‑authoritarian enforcement arm or you don’t. This is the Pete Buttigieg style of politics, trying to tinker around the edges of a broken system by landing safely in the middle.

It blows my mind how dishonest you're behaving here. I actually thought you were reasonable.

 

[Loose]

It blows my mind how dishonest you're behaving here. I actually thought you were reasonable.

Certain things I agree the party should look at it from a public relations standpoint, ICE isn't one of them and 70% of democrats agree we past the point of reformation.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Certain things I agree the party should look at it from a public relations standpoint, ICE isn't one of them and 70% of democrats agree we past the point of reformation.

I am talking about effectiveness. Shouting "Abolish ICE" is not an effective message. It's a slogan that invites bad-faith interpretation.

When you say "Abolish ICE," what does that look like in practice? What replaces it (if anything), and how would enforcement work (does it exist)? Do you think governance matters or not?

 

[mastermind]

I’m always confused when people get upset at activists demanding something and the slogans.

They are activist. You either can support or say you don’t and leave them be.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

I’m always confused when people get upset at activists demanding something and the slogans.

They are activist. You either can support or say you don’t and leave them be.

I'm not upset at activists demanding things. Why would I be? I'm saying that once you demand elected officials run and govern on that language, the question shifts from moral expression to political durability. If we want representatives to lead on these slogans, then we have to be clear about the end state of the policy.

I'm going to be a bit blunt here. Leaders lead, and what we've seen is people are impressionable. If you lead on something, people will follow. It seems the wind is behind your back for the first time ever. ICE has a history, CPP has a history of terrorizing Black and Brown communities," he said. "People are asking themselves, why are we, our taxpayer dollars, paying for masked, lawless men to terrorize our communities, kidnap people, take children, and kill Americans?"

Why not lead and say abolish ICE? Because what you're telling us is you want our taxpayer dollars to pay for a lawless mass armed agency to continue terrorizing our cities. And I'm trying to figure out how you, as a leader, can be telling Americans that their taxpayer dollars should be going to ICE.

 

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[Hood Critic]

I'm not upset at activists demanding things. Why would I be? I'm saying that once you demand elected officials run and govern on that language, the question shifts from moral expression to political durability. If we want representatives to lead on these slogans, then we have to be clear about the end state of the policy.

The exact reason it was so effectively countered when it was introduced. It was a catchy slogan that people assumed everyone chanting it understood the nuance behind it.

It's the exact same trap the Democratic party let the consultants get them into with defund the police.

 

[mastermind]

I'm not upset at activists demanding things. Why would I be? I'm saying that once you demand elected officials run and govern on that language, the question shifts from moral expression to political durability. If we want representatives to lead on these slogans, then we have to be clear about the end state of the policy.

That's what an activist does. Thats the whole point. They demand something from an elected official. That's how a democracy is supposed to work.

Not saying you, but a lot of voters think they are the elected officials above being the person that votes them into office, and don't understand that.

An activist is supposed to make those demands and be in the face of the politician.

 

[wire28]

 

[Robbie3000]

I’m always confused when people get upset at activists demanding something and the slogans.

They are activist. You either can support or say you don’t and leave them be.

These dudes have been conditioned by party leadership to process every political ask through the filter of a DNC consultant instead of as voters. What will make the job easiest for the politician without offending xyz group?

fukk all that. As voters we should have the audacity to make demands and let the politicians figure out how to get it done. If we get half a loaf, we’ll be disappointed, but we’ll take it. However, many Democratic voters think we are here to make life easy for the politicians and so we should begin by asking for half a loaf and be happy when we get a quarter loaf.

Then they get mad at the rest of us who demand the full loaf.