Democratic Party Rebuild

[Smoking With Cigarettes]

I mean, Israel deserves any amount of hate it gets if you're against genocide and ethnic cleansing you should hate the Israeli government

My thing is, I just don't buy that it swung the election. Foreign policy issues rarely do. Kamala would've lost regardless of what position she took with regards to Israel, and the same is probably true for Biden. And again, I'm not saying his policy towards Israel wasn't terrible, I just think he'd have lost even if Gaza never happened.

The consultant class of politics overthinks and underthinks how dumb the average voter is. Trump been in office a year and I still find myself explaining how tariffs work to people.

The problem I see with the DNC is they don't have a clear idea of what they want a post Trump America to look like. There is no return to the pre-Covid status quo and there is no meeting in the middle with people who would rather burn the field than lose the game. But it also feels like whichever Dem catches lightning in a bottle post midterms will have the opportunity to shape the next age of the Democrats. Hopefully whoever that is focuses on aggressive legislation that fixes the lives of voters/status of our society vs appealing to specific groups of voters

 

[wire28]

When the voters didn't give a damn about the tattoo it was a wrap for Mills.

Blackwater gotta be they could have been having a political arm for a while they dropped the ball on that

Let the rebuild continue

 

[wire28]

The consultant class of politics overthinks and underthinks how dumb the average voter is. Trump been in office a year and I still find myself explaining how tariffs work to people.

The problem I see with the DNC is they don't have a clear idea of what they want a post Trump America to look like. There is no return to the pre-Covid status quo and there is no meeting in the middle with people who would rather burn the field than lose the game. But it also feels like whichever Dem catches lightning in a bottle post midterms will have the opportunity to shape the next age of the Democrats. Hopefully whoever that is focuses on aggressive legislation that fixes the lives of voters/status of our society vs appealing to specific groups of voters

Luckily we get a chance to determine that. Which is why people bytching about Newsom is annoying because instead of complaining about him you should be putting the battery in somebody’s back NOW so Newsome can’t just ride off name ID in 28

 

[KFBF]

It could just as easily say that Kamala lost because of sexism and racism, and maybe they chose not to release it because that wouldn't come off well (even if it's true).

That has been the prevailing narrative. What are the downsides to releasing that report if it's true? Will they stop running women/minorities? I doubt it.

The problem I see with the DNC is they don't have a clear idea of what they want a post Trump America to look like.

Just Google image search "people having fun a brunch"

Luckily we get a chance to determine that. Which is why people bytching about Newsom is annoying because instead of complaining about him you should be putting the battery in somebody’s back NOW so Newsome can’t just ride off name ID in 28

I think part of the problem is no one else has really let their nuts hang and said "I'm running" I'm guessing as they don't want to expose themselves. I think Newsoms gaffes would be more detrimental if there were other people in the arena. I worry the lead he's built up AND the fact that he's having the chance to frame the election will be insurmountable by the time the election comes around.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

The consultant class of politics overthinks and underthinks how dumb the average voter is. Trump been in office a year and I still find myself explaining how tariffs work to people.

The problem I see with the DNC is they don't have a clear idea of what they want a post Trump America to look like. There is no return to the pre-Covid status quo and there is no meeting in the middle with people who would rather burn the field than lose the game. But it also feels like whichever Dem catches lightning in a bottle post midterms will have the opportunity to shape the next age of the Democrats. Hopefully whoever that is focuses on aggressive legislation that fixes the lives of voters/status of our society vs appealing to specific groups of voters

I mean, this is the historical cycle, The eventual nominee usually determines the vision of the party. This is the same place Dems were in before Clinton and again before Obama, we were just in a unique position because Biden was seen more as a transitionary figure than the leader of the party.

History doesn't always tell you what will come next, but it gives you the context to evaluate what will come next with a level head. Speaking strictly electorally (without reference to Trump's autocratic tendencies), Dems were facing a bigger crisis in the Reagan years (Reagan's electoral dominance was crazy) and Repubs were facing a bigger crisis after Obama was reelected.

The one caveat to that is that Dems do need to learn how to win rural states/areas fast, because winning the Presidency and a Senate majority will likely get more difficult after the next Census.

 

[Loose]

I don't think there is any evidence showing that Biden would have done better than Kamala in the 24 election, I would argue that the available evidence shows that he would have done worse.

• Biden's own internal polling apparently showed that Trump would win by 400+ electoral votes
• There was a huge surge in enthusiasm when she was announced, those first couple of weeks were sensational. I don't think there would have been that same surge in enthusiasm if Biden had remained on the ticket.
• Polls closer to the election were saying that she was picking up Latino/black males as well as younger voters (obviously, she did not do as well as she needed).

Arguing counterfactuals is usually a waste of time, but I don't see a strong argument showing that Biden would have done better than she.

Like @FAH1223 said Biden best chance was around September 2023, he decided to go in the wrong direction. Internals showed if Biden stayed on the ballot 2024 would have been a total Wipeout. Biden would have lost by 350+ ecs and tanked downballot dems

 

[Pressure]

I don't think there is any evidence showing that Biden would have done better than Kamala in the 24 election, I would argue that the available evidence shows that he would have done worse.

• Biden's own internal polling apparently showed that Trump would win by 400+ electoral votes
• There was a huge surge in enthusiasm when she was announced, those first couple of weeks were sensational. I don't think there would have been that same surge in enthusiasm if Biden had remained on the ticket.
• Polls closer to the election were saying that she was picking up Latino/black males as well as younger voters (obviously, she did not do as well as she needed).

Arguing counterfactuals is usually a waste of time, but I don't see a strong argument showing that Biden would have done better than she.

I have at no point ever argued that Biden was going to perform better. In fact, I don't think I've even seriously put forth an argument on how he'd poll.

What I have done is say since the summer of 2024 is that replacing a candidate on the ballot for any reason short of death after they've won the primary is a disaster and undermines trust and as a result will result in a depressed voter base.

If you'd like to further that discussion I'm all for it. Not the strawman being presented.

 

[wire28]

That has been the prevailing narrative. What are the downsides to releasing that report if it's true? Will they stop running women/minorities? I doubt it.

I think the simple explanation fits. They don’t want a big dump of negative press and bytching while the republicans light themselves on fire. They’ll release it after miidterms I would think.

Is that correct? Maybe maybe not. It could just be a continuous drip of negative press up until midterms is another outcome of such a decision

But that’s what I think is the reason

I think part of the problem is no one else has really let their nuts hang and said "I'm running" I'm guessing as they don't want to expose themselves. I think Newsoms gaffes would be more detrimental if there were other people in the arena. I worry the lead he's built up AND the fact that he's having the chance to frame the election will be insurmountable by the time the election comes around.

Democracy is on the line Jack. If they don’t wanna expose themselves maybe they shouldn’t hold office we can’t complain about Newsome and then let everybody else letting him get off, off the hook too

 

[Loose]

So much for trump being a fascist

 

[KFBF]

So much for trump being a fascist

Look at Israel at work y'all.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Teeth sucking brunch bytch babble

-higher learning Allstars

All stars don’t really rock with black women at all and possibly all women from what I’ve noticed

 

[wire28]

Let the rebuild continue

 

[Dillah810]