Democrats ignore the left at their peril. Midwesterners aren't scared of socialism — they're hungry

[mc_brew]

definitely possible they arent 100 percent accurate but 80 is so overwhelming that even if it is really off and dropped to around 50 as you say, you can probably still run on it., i know a lot of people seemed to lose faith in polls after trump won but one thing about that is Hilary was only up by a few percentage points the day of the general and she won the popular vote by around one percent so still within the margin of error. i def wasnt someone who thought trump couldnt win even though i did think hilary would win but not in a landslide. i dont know what to make of the difference between vocal cac and the polls. people dont always answer honestly of course but still. even in so called liberal NY lots of whites are conservative especially in certain areas like staten island or howard beach, yet we do always end up with dems winning.

yea, i don't know, i can't call it... i will acknowledge that i am speaking anecdotally..... it just seems to me that i know far too many people that are against these things for these polls to be accurate... i'm kind off topic as i don't really have a position on what platform the dems should run on... personally, anything center/left to straight left leaning would be preferable to me than another term of trump.... i just wonder about these polls sometimes when they are so lopsided....

Polls cannot replicate real world behavior and many people who use surveys in a professional capacity know this, however they report digestible news to the public. Issue based polling tends to avoid contextual issues, in some cases people can make trade-offs on issues, one may like living wage but weights the Supreme Court higher and thus vote differently. Framing effects also work in polling, i saw one poll in the time the Muslim ban was first in the news and it had more support standing alone while support dropped when Trump's name was put alongside it and the same thing was observed with using ACA vs Obamacare. In any case if you hang around some of the places in the Midwest romanticized by some of the Progressives you will see that they are just as amenable to Rush Limbaugh type rhetoric. If you look at Ohio elections county by county every election year there are quite some swings, Obama won 15 out of 80 something counties against a private equity guy like Romney.

i hear you.... just because a person says they are for a living wage does not mean they won't vote for a candidate that is against a living wage if say the scotus pick is more important to them... i think we all have some trade offs we have to make, so i get that... however, i'm more referring to people that specifically are against the things that polls show overwhelming support for... like i know a lot of people that are not for any form of background checks, registries, gun control, none of that... it's hard to believe that 90% support background checks when i know so many people that are rabidly against that....

i need to make a separate thread about this... i don't want to derail this thread, but this is an interesting conversation... both you and @wtfyomom brought up some good points...

 

[El Bombi]

If they really think the Democrats going further left will help them win the Presidential Election.

The Progressives in the Democratic party are the most clueless people in politics.

The Democratic party is truly fukked right now and I don't see any type of recovery in the near future.

The Republican party is about to run off on the plug by default.

 

[ineedsleep212]

Folks just want to keep chasing Republicans

 

[88m3]

Folks just want to keep chasing Republicans

this bs usually comes from people of your political persuasion

 

[Red Shield]

I wouldn't piss on any of these people if they were on fire. fukk them all.

you're damn right

 

[Red Shield]

Whats sanders and the other delusional fools on the far left fail to understand is you can offer 15 dollar minimum wage and free healthcare to blue collar whites all you want and Midwesterner and they wont vote for you, because you support Black lives matter, immigration reform, and you are against police brutality. its about race not economics, as long as they think they welfare and health-care are not going to those lazy negroes they are good living in poverty,

Don't know why this shyt is so hard for folk to understand.... but yeah

 

[ineedsleep212]

this bs usually comes from people of your political persuasion

Tell us where is your coalition coming from. Yall seem to think the folks people want to reach are Trump's base when it couldn't be further from the truth.

What's the genius strategy y'all got?

Still this huh?

"For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”

 

[ineedsleep212]

Entirely relevant.
48:30 on

 

[ineedsleep212]

Other good stuff in here
The Report

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

If they really think the Democrats going further left will help them win the Presidential Election.

The Progressives in the Democratic party are the most clueless people in politics.

The Democratic party is truly fukked right now and I don't see any type of recovery in the near future.

The Republican party is about to run off on the plug by default.

You’re right. It’s genius. As the republicans keep going further right democrats should keep chasing that center that keeps movIng more to the right. Appease the extremism by being centrists that’s what won Hilary the Presidency and has made the Democrats so unified today

More smug attitudes from corporate dems

Fighting the people’s movement in your party is truly the way to victory

 

[Shogun]

Welfare States aren't Socialist.

I cant understand why people insist on using that word to characterize anything Progressive. Not only is it inaccurate, its politically self-defeating.

 

[Supercoolmayo]

Other good stuff in here
The Report

the midwest is something else

 

[StatUS]

Dems just need to get their base out. fukk those racist in the Midwest. I'm done with them. That's the one thing I don't agree with these progressive groups on.

If anything we need to surpress their vote. Not in an illegal way like they're doing now but make them think their vote doesn't mean anything and not show up

 

[Pressure]

Other good stuff in here
The Report

Everything sounds good in a vacuum


Most Republicans think poverty caused by laziness, new poll finds

https://www.salon.com/2017/08/10/so...hich-makes-them-a-lot-like-other-republicans/

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

95% of Americans don't even know what socialism is, which is really the funny part.