Dennis Rodman won DPOY averaging less than 1 block and 1 steal per game

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Defense isn’t just about steals, blocks and rebounds it’s about slowing your opponent down and taking them out of their rhythm.

Rodman was the best at that. He had the ability to not only take you out of your rhythm he could get in your head causing you to make mistakes you ordinarily wouldn’t make.

He was 1 of 1.
 

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No brother, you specifically shytted on that performance because of who Jokic went against that night. It was hate. You need to realize its been 25 seasons since the 90s and the world has moved on. You can either continue watching the NBA and appreciating what you are seeing, or you can turn on your DVD and watch 97-98 Chicago Bulls games and pretend today isn't happening. Either way is fine, but being a hypocrite isn't.


this is without a doubt a Jokic hate thread. No one said Jokic was going to win DPOY. This thread didn't need to be made except to hate on Jokic since Dennis Rodman is the in HOF because of his all time defending.
It was a great performance (the 30-20-20) game, but when people say things like it’s the greatest performance they’ve EVER seen simply because no other player has done it, they need to slow down. Is it greater than Luka’s 60-20-10 game or Harden’s 50-15-15 game? Funny enough, both those games were against the Knicks, and those performances were in the past ten years.

Again, I mentioned Jokic because someone used his steals numbers as an indicator that he’s a decent defender. Great offensive player, but doesn’t play both sides of the ball.
 

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Lots of intricacies to the defensive game beyond steals and blocks.

One example, I was arguing with a poster some time back (circa 2011) about "good fouls"

He was dikk glazing lebron for playing entire games without obtaining a single personal foul.
I was like, not getting a single foul during the course of the game means you aren't playing defense.

There are times where it is better to send a player to the line than it is to let them take a high percentage shot worth more points.
You got 6 fouls. might as well use some of them. Obviously you don't want to be in foul trouble the whole game. But if you have zero personals in the fourth. Play aggressive d against the poorer free throw shooters on the other team.
Rodman Averaged over 4 fouls per game.
Lebron less than 2
Harden also less than 2.
 
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It was a great performance (the 30-20-20) game, but when people say things like it’s the greatest performance they’ve EVER seen simply because no other player has done it, they need to slow down. I
That's not what your post said and no one in that thread said that up to that point. You were hating, just like you are doing in this thread.
 
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That playoff series last year
AD was giving Joker the fits
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It’s not a Jokic hate thread. I only made this thread because when someone pointed out Joker being a bad defender someone mentioned him being second in steals. It means nothing. Iverson led the league in steals like 3-4 times and he was never a great defender. Rodman was an ELITE defender, but he didn’t get steals or blocks.
It actually does mean something.

Jokic has a number of limitations on defense, but that doesn't make him a bad defender. His BBIQ to get steals/deflections is a valuable trait. You want him to do all that he does on offense (which is arguably more than any big that's ever played the game), whilst also running around on defense and constantly closing out behind the arc, defending faster, more agile players on drives, when bigs of the past never did that shyt.

What is your obsession with constantly trying to nitpick his game?
Now Draymond Green aint on the same planet as Rodman.
Dray is an infinitely better offensive player and he's a better defensive player than Rodman, so what exactly are you talking about here?

Talking like Rodman was on some Professor X shyt when he got ejected many a time because he couldn't keep his head straight.
 

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just because you have 10 ints in a year don't mean you better than darrelle revis :yeshrug:
Yeah, but ironically enough, Revis's magnum opus season, produced his most interceptions(8, 6 in reg season, 2 in playoffs)
 

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Stop using strictly numbers to determine if someone is a great defender or not. I see yall saying Jokic is tied for 2nd in the NBA in steals. Luka actually averages more steals than him but he hasn’t played enough games to qualify, and we all know Luka isn’t a good defender at all.

By the way, Rodman is the only player to ever win DPOY while averaging less than a steal and block per game.
Sure. Can we also stop acting like MJ was a better shot blocker than LeBron because he had a higher block average?

Can we also stock acting like Jordan was a GOAT defender because he sold out for steals and/or played stellar defense on tertiary options?
 

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Not sure if you slighting Rodman or not.

Those opposing player field goal percentages tell what guys are really doing. When Rodman wasnt making them miss shots they had to give it up. He could guard 1-5 at only 6'7".

He did all the dirty work that dont show up on the stat sheet. He was the definition of a lockdown defender. We'll never see another Rodman.
:sadcam:Rodman is one of the few guys that players would openly admit they were afraid of.
 

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@Gil Scott-Heroin @mastermind do y'all have fathers? Jokic is just a basketball player. Why are yall running up in here to defend him so badly? Are y'all mentally ok? Even if this is a hate thread, why is this that serious to you?
 
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