"Devil In A New Dress"- Kanye ft Rick Ross

[RTF]

Again, and not to take nothing away from Jeff Bhasker, but DID YOU READ the credits or are you just talking out your neck right now? For one, and I say again, nothing to take away from Bink! because he provided the sample which was the foundation of the track. It was a dope looped sample, but do not OVERHYPE a damn sample that ANYONE could of done. Also, Jeff Bhasker did not mix this joint, Jeff Bhasker did not play the guitar, the bass, and the piano, all the instrumentation that was PUT in that joint, and lastly, he wasn't credited for co-producing that joint. It was all MIKE DEAN. Do you even SEE Jeff Bhasker IN THE PRODUCTION CREDITS... so why you even bring HIS name up?

Yes I read the credits, it says additional production. The beat all the way up to 2:40 is Bink alone. Dean ADDED live instrumentation on top upon instruction. Kanye rates him highly but someone could have filled the same position. Bink created the beat, if you don't understand that, please do not reply.

With regards to Bhasker i'm talking about his overall work with Kanye, not this song in particular, I know he wasn't involved. On the MBDTF album it is Bhasker and Dean that do the majority of secondary production, usually in the form of live instrumentation. When it is add. production they are merely one step up from studio musicians in terms of production e.g. told to play a certain way without being told the exact notes.

 

[RTF]

I have several times. You can do as well, go to your local pawn shop and cop a sampler and go ham with it.

But can I play the piano? play the bass or guitar? Do I know how to mix a song with the sample and live instrumentation together? Do I know how to engineer a song? Hell NO I cannot, nor can you, unless you are a TRUE producer and not a mere BEAT MAKER. And I am NOT saying Bink! isn't a true producer, because I am sure he has quite a great resume that showcased him actually PRODUCING a full song, with the involvement of the artists in the studio making to do extra takes, and tweeking their performance just right and instructing the musicians what to do, and be that actual CONDUCTOR of the song. But in THIS case, he wasn't THERE. He was only a producer by name ONLY, and wasn't at the studio doing everything.

Why don't YOU learn what being an actual PRODUCER is about. We in hip hop assume having a dope beat machine and create a beat makes you a hot producer. That does NOT define you as a producer. Take that time to learn what actual producing really entails.

You're confused son. Being able to play instruments makes you a skilled musician, not a talented producer. Dean is a better musician than he is a producer. Hence why he's rarely listed as a main producer on Kanye albums. Quincy Jones is excellent at both but he barely played any instruments on Thriller.

Anyone can learn to play an instrument, that doesn't make you a producer.

 

[the artist known az]

Man Jesus must have touched Ross brain when Ross recorded this. That verse is so flawless

I can imagine Ross finished recording this, stepped out the booth and everyone was like

While he was like

 

[dagawd]

Ross murked this. Best Ross verse of alltime

 

[gluvnast]

You're confused son. Being able to play instruments makes you a skilled musician, not a talented producer. Dean is a better musician than he is a producer. Hence why he's rarely listed as a main producer on Kanye albums. Quincy Jones is excellent at both but he barely played any instruments on Thriller.

Anyone can learn to play an instrument, that doesn't make you a producer.

Why would he be listed as "main producer" on another PRODUCER's album? And did you even comprehend anything I stated? I did not say if you play an instrument you are a producer. I stated sending a looped SAMPLE does not equate to TRUE PRODUCING. Being a true producer means you are the one in charge of crafting the song in its TOTAL PACKAGE, you are the one that tells how the artist how to perform on the track, inform your musicians what to play, the one behind mixing everything together, the one that tells the engineer what to do, the one that puts all the pieces together all at once. Bink! in this particular track wasn't the one actually PRODUCING the record, Mike Dean was. Bink! wasn't even in the studio when this was made. It was a mailed in joint, and just because it's based off a sample he did, he got name credit for production, but the actual WORK belonged to Mike Dean. PERIOD.

 

[gluvnast]

Yes I read the credits, it says additional production. The beat all the way up to 2:40 is Bink alone. Dean ADDED live instrumentation on top upon instruction. Kanye rates him highly but someone could have filled the same position. Bink created the beat, if you don't understand that, please do not reply.

With regards to Bhasker i'm talking about his overall work with Kanye, not this song in particular, I know he wasn't involved. On the MBDTF album it is Bhasker and Dean that do the majority of secondary production, usually in the form of live instrumentation. When it is add. production they are merely one step up from studio musicians in terms of production e.g. told to play a certain way without being told the exact notes.

1.) Kanye rates him highly because he has one of the best producers and mixers that ever done hip hop, go listen to those classic Rap A-Lot records and understand how essential Mike Dean been for hip hop in general. That's why Kanye has HIM as his right hand man when it comes to producing. Mike Dean would take the bare bones of an initial production and beautifies it to some of another level, which he CLEARLY done with this track. We aren't PRAISING "Devil in a New Dress" because of HALF of song, it is being praised for its ENTIRETY. The things that were done on that track in its finished version had ZERO to do with Bink! to include how great of a verse Rick Ross was! Rick Ross did his verse there with Mike Dean there at the studio. You think it was by mere accident that Ross sounded better than he had ever done? It takes producers to direct a performer's BEST. This is why most artists say DR. DRE is one of the most tedious when it comes them trying to perform a joint with him, because he will make them to more than a hundred takes before he has what he wants from that artist. Producing is MORE than just throwing in a sampled beat. It incorporates everything. You are the CONDUCTOR of that work of musical art.

2.) Again, if Bhasker was NO WHERE on the production of this song then don't mention his name. It is NOT relevant to the discussion. The discussion was about the over-hyped praised of BINK! on this SPECIFIC track when the truth is that MIKE DEAN done all the real work on this track, BINK just shipped a sampled looped as the foundation. This isn't about the REST of the album. We are not TALKING about the rest of the album. We are talking about THIS SPECIFIC TRACK only.

 

[Reverend Jesse Jackson]

1.) Kanye rates him highly because he has one of the best producers and mixers that ever done hip hop, go listen to those classic Rap A-Lot records and understand how essential Mike Dean been for hip hop in general. That's why Kanye has HIM as his right hand man when it comes to producing. Mike Dean would take the bare bones of an initial production and beautifies it to some of another level, which he CLEARLY done with this track. We aren't PRAISING "Devil in a New Dress" because of HALF of song, it is being praised for its ENTIRETY. The things that were done on that track in its finished version had ZERO to do with Bink! to include how great of a verse Rick Ross was! Rick Ross did his verse there with Mike Dean there at the studio. You think it was by mere accident that Ross sounded better than he had ever done? It takes producers to direct a performer's BEST. This is why most artists say DR. DRE is one of the most tedious when it comes them trying to perform a joint with him, because he will make them to more than a hundred takes before he has what he wants from that artist. Producing is MORE than just throwing in a sampled beat. It incorporates everything. You are the CONDUCTOR of that work of musical art.

2.) Again, if Bhasker was NO WHERE on the production of this song then don't mention his name. It is NOT relevant to the discussion. The discussion was about the over-hyped praised of BINK! on this SPECIFIC track when the truth is that MIKE DEAN done all the real work on this track, BINK just shipped a sampled looped as the foundation. This isn't about the REST of the album. We are not TALKING about the rest of the album. We are talking about THIS SPECIFIC TRACK only.

Mike Dean used some instrument plug ins and replayed the Bink! beat. You giving him too much credit. And the Bink! beat is not a loop, he chopped it to pieces. Chopping is not easy, you try it.

 

[hex]

Again, you HONESTLY believe the song in its final product was this special due to a SAMPLE LOOP?.

Yes. Welcome to hip-hop, enjoy your stay.

Fred.

 

[Geek]

First heard this song at work; right after Ricky's verse I was

"God bless the man I put this ice over...."

 

[Malik]

Man Jesus must have touched Ross brain when Ross recorded this. That verse is so flawless

I can imagine Ross finished recording this, stepped out the booth and everyone was like

While he was like

 

[dubsmith_nz]

If Mike Dean did all the mixing, the additional production, and the one that actually played the live instrumentation. What exactly did BINK! done outside providing the sample? I'll wait. Props for providing the Smokey Robinson sample to begin with, but lets give the actual credit where it is due that gave that song life.

From the credits it looks like BINK! provided the sample and also laid the drums, probably the two most important aspects to a traditional hip hop beat.

 

[YaThreadFloppedB!]

Love the tune, but can anyone answer this:



Have you ever heard this song being blasted out of somebodys whip?



Its a travesty really. Should be played all over the world, periodically.



Or even daily like carson.



.

I pray you live forever

 

[Caldlo]

"Mailing in" he says. If that's really what you believe, then you're a fukking clown. Big red shoes, rainbow wig, a red nose and all that

The sample makes the song. Everything Mike Dean added was based off that sample. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.

And it's a really dope sample flip, by the way



If that's mailing it in, I'd like to see what happens when he's really trying

Such an incredible flip. I'd always assumed it was a loop, but the first time I heard the original track I was like .... now that's hip hop right there.

 

[YaThreadFloppedB!]

I shed a tear before the night's over
God bless the man I put this ice over

I always thought it was God bless the man I put these sights over. I say that before every Call of Duty match then do the Sign of the Cross.

Like iron sights or red dot sight. Too much COD I guess

 

[Eternal Tecate]

Thanks for this Ross verse Pusha