Did Dr Dre leaving Death Row make much of a difference?

[darryl]

Unite the coasts?

It was him beefing with the east more or less, how you gonna unite the coasts when everybody is pretty much cool with each other except you?

Agree with the rest though, Pac was a charismatic entertainer thats for sure.

Nikka shut up.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

That's what I said in the post you quoted lmao. It was dope and sold well without Dre.

the point of my post was that he did Mackaveli without dre(in which you said), u asked if Pac did another album without dre(as Macaveli was) would it sell. why wouldn't it? Gang related soundtrack sold millions. Doggfather(not a great album but still better than Aftermath presents) sold double. Daz went gold. Gridloc'd soundtrack, Pac hits went multiplatinum. Death Row didn't only lose dre, they lost, Dre, then Pac, then Snoop, Then Daz. Even after Dre, as I stated, Death Row had more success than Dre had prior to Eminem. 97 and 98, Dre had 2 projects(and he executive produced The firm and did half of it with Trackmasters doing half) and it flopped. His Aftermath solo flopped. Death Row post dre was still putting out albums people were into. Suge going to prison, snoop leaving and eventually Daz destroyed them. Dre leaving Ruthless didn't hurt them either. After Dre left, Ren dropped a hot azz classic debut(gold), Eazy dropped some classic singles and hot platinum albums. Above the Law dropped hot platinum and gold albums, and Bone dropped some hot ass platinum classics. Had 2pac lived, Suge paid his people, stayed out of jail, and snoop stayed, Death Row would not have went out as quick as they did.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

All the difference in the world, after Dre left .. what did Deathrow have? Dre started Deathrow and Suge took it over from a business partner stance and made dre his worker instead of his co owner

They had multiplatinum and gold releases for 2 years after Dre left if you want to deal with the facts. Daz, Pac, and Snoop all sold records post Dre

 

[Dotcom]

They had multiplatinum and gold releases for 2 years after Dre left if you want to deal with the facts. Daz, Pac, and Snoop all sold records post Dre

I thought snoop went to no limit. Wasn’t Suge just dropping bones he had held hostage and kept in the vault and Daz was scraping the bowl dry. And Kurupt was tryna decide was he dogpound or piru blood

 

[KingSol81]

Unite the coasts?

It was him beefing with the east more or less, how you gonna unite the coasts when everybody is pretty much cool with each other except you?

Agree with the rest though, Pac was a charismatic entertainer thats for sure.

Let's not rewrite history here and act like Pac was the cause for east/west tensions..NY was the catalyst for the drama, from Tim Dog to Masta Ace to Biggie to AZ to the bias magazines it's always been New York that set the shyt off. Dogg Pound, Pac, Too Short, E-40, Cube they finally had enough of the bullshyt and started to fire back. The west coast just made more noise when they threw their shots back.

 

[Piff Perkins]

the point of my post was that he did Mackaveli without dre(in which you said), u asked if Pac did another album without dre(as Macaveli was) would it sell. why wouldn't it? Gang related soundtrack sold millions. Doggfather(not a great album but still better than Aftermath presents) sold double. Daz went gold. Gridloc'd soundtrack, Pac hits went multiplatinum. Death Row didn't only lose dre, they lost, Dre, then Pac, then Snoop, Then Daz. Even after Dre, as I stated, Death Row had more success than Dre had prior to Eminem. 97 and 98, Dre had 2 projects(and he executive produced The firm and did half of it with Trackmasters doing half) and it flopped. His Aftermath solo flopped. Death Row post dre was still putting out albums people were into. Suge going to prison, snoop leaving and eventually Daz destroyed them. Dre leaving Ruthless didn't hurt them either. After Dre left, Ren dropped a hot azz classic debut(gold), Eazy dropped some classic singles and hot platinum albums. Above the Law dropped hot platinum and gold albums, and Bone dropped some hot ass platinum classics. Had 2pac lived, Suge paid his people, stayed out of jail, and snoop stayed, Death Row would not have went out as quick as they did.

We agree. My point about another album wasn't phrased right. What I meant was Makaveli wasn't really the mainstream album that AEOM was; it was darker and didn't have as much "for the ladies" shyt, nor was it produced by the best producers on the label. My question was if Pac released another AEOM type album of bangers, singles, ladies tracks, etc would it blow up sales wise (without Dre)? To me the answer is yes. Perhaps not as much as AEOM but that wouldn't be a knock on it.

Dre leaving hurt, but Pac dying was the true death of Death Row. Unlike Snoop, he didn't need a bunch of Dre shyt to have a huge album in the mid 90s. He proved he didn't need Dre with Mavaveli and could have easily had a bigger album than that next time. Pac literally made a 5-plat hit album with the label's b-tier producers. Imagine what he'd do (again) with Johnny J, Daz, Quik, etc.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

We agree. My point about another album wasn't phrased right. What I meant was Makaveli wasn't really the mainstream album that AEOM was; it was darker and didn't have as much "for the ladies" shyt, nor was it produced by the best producers on the label. My question was if Pac released another AEOM type album of bangers, singles, ladies tracks, etc would it blow up sales wise (without Dre)? To me the answer is yes. Perhaps not as much as AEOM but that wouldn't be a knock on it.

Dre leaving hurt, but Pac dying was the true death of Death Row. Unlike Snoop, he didn't need a bunch of Dre shyt to have a huge album in the mid 90s. He proved he didn't need Dre with Mavaveli and could have easily had a bigger album than that next time. Pac literally made a 5-plat hit album with the label's b-tier producers. Imagine what he'd do (again) with Johnny J, Daz, Quik, etc.

AEOM blew up without Dre. he produced 2 songs on it and one of them was basically almost the same beat he gave snoop dogg 3 years prior. If you take away the 2 songs Dre did on AEOM, you still got a classic album. right? Repeat with me, "Dre did 2 songs on AEOM". 2 songs out of a double disk isn't carrying an album.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

I thought snoop went to no limit. Wasn’t Suge just dropping bones he had held hostage and kept in the vault and Daz was scraping the bowl dry. And Kurupt was tryna decide was he dogpound or piru blood

Snoop didn't go to No Limit until the summer of 98. The Dogg Father came out in late 96 and went platinum. This was around the time snoop brought Charlie Wilson back in the spotlight cuz his solo career didn't really take off after the Gap Band like that. Snoop was taking him with him everywhere including SNL when he performed Vapors.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

It made a huge difference because Dre didn't just leave Death Row. He abandoned "gangsta rap" altogether and focused more on The Firm (an mafiosos East Coast collective ironically) and his sound was less West Coast. It set the stage for Bad Boy's dominance using mafiosos themes and aesthetics over glossy, commercial production. Then No Limit took "gangsta rap" and kept it in the mainstream. Snoop went over there. West Coast really didn't get a revival until Snoop/Dre reunited with an updated sound.

It would've been interesting to see how it all played out had Pac lived, but Dre leaving Death Row made a huge difference.

This is very correct. Dre leaving deathrow and not making west coast gangsta music anymore was a huge blow to the west.
I mean the timing couldnt have been worse for the west.
2pac's and eazy's deaths,dre sucking east coast dikk ,cube's solo hiatus left the West with no direction,despite the great run they previously had.

With puffy taking over the game
and Master p picking up the pieces of gangsta rap,adding a lil bounce to it .

The west was no longer needed

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

AEOM blew up without Dre. he produced 2 songs on it and one of them was basically almost the same beat he gave snoop dogg 3 years prior. If you take away the 2 songs Dre did on AEOM, you still got a classic album. right? Repeat with me, "Dre did 2 songs on AEOM". 2 songs out of a double disk isn't carrying an album.

Yes it would still be a classic album. But california love was vital for that roll out

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Super inaccurate, Still D-R-E and and Next Episode had way more of an impact than Forgot About Dre.. Still D-R-E was the biggest selling single of the album and Next Episode charted highest. Dre blew back up because he returned to a sound that was more familiar to a core Dre audience and because he was reunited with Snoop. The opposite is true though, Eminem would not have been as big as he became without the Dre wave, without Dre Em is just white backpack rapper on Rawkus compilations.

You're being unrealistic. Of course those records you named,were huge. But dre being known as the guy to bring Em to the world,helped him in a MAJOR way. Of course he legitmized Em,but him being next to em made him popular again and come time for his solo,he delivered.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

You're being unrealistic. Of course those records you named,were huge. But dre being known as the guy to bring Em to the world,helped him in a MAJOR way. Of course he legitmized Em,but him being next to em made him popular again and come time for his solo,he delivered.

just like Nas and Jay. Now I'm not a stan of either guy and I like them both, but had Jay not ever dissed Nas, his career would have been over. Jay dissing nas had people checking for his album waiting to hear what he's gonna respond with and he delivered a dope album

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

just like Nas and Jay. Now I'm not a stan of either guy and I like them both, but had Jay not ever dissed Nas, his career would have been over. Jay dissing nas had people checking for his album waiting to hear what he's gonna respond with and he delivered a dope album

Yea nas was finished. Jay made a mistake dissing him