Did Dr Dre leaving Death Row make much of a difference?

[R=G]

Unite the coasts?

It was him beefing with the east more or less, how you gonna unite the coasts when everybody is pretty much cool with each other except you?

Agree with the rest though, Pac was a charismatic entertainer thats for sure.

Tupac wasn't beefing with the east. He was beefing with everyone backing up Biggie out of the blue...he never got on Method Man's case. Or Redman's case. Or Treach's case. He stepped on the necks of Puffy, Kim, Mobb Deep, Nas, Jay Z...cats who saw as phones and nyggas not as hard as what he been through. That's why he decimated them and shut those nyggas down. Death Row East was coming because they were gonna do eastcoast follow ups on what he had hot...everything he touched was hot...he wasn't worried. Tupac was a genius who can out write anyone...his workrate proved that. He also was gonna always team up with the south and Midwest...he spoke of that too.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Why on tracks did PAC say ‘cos we know the west side is the best side’.

Tupac wasn't beefing with the east. He was beefing with everyone backing up Biggie out of the blue...he never got on Method Man's case. Or Redman's case. Or Treach's case. He stepped on the necks of Puffy, Kim, Mobb Deep, Nas, Jay Z...cats who saw as phones and nyggas not as hard as what he been through. That's why he decimated them and shut those nyggas down. Death Row East was coming because they were gonna do eastcoast follow ups on what he had hot...everything he touched was hot...he wasn't worried. Tupac was a genius who can out write anyone...his workrate proved that. He also was gonna always team up with the south and Midwest...he spoke of that too.

Not just small tracks, we talking his biggest selling song.

We gon pretend he ain’t run with that ‘westside’ shyt as a marketing gimmick to push records?

Yeah he had friends all over (ny, no, bay, fam in baltimore, atl etc) but a lot of New York (and everywhere for that matter) was thinking ‘the fukk is wrong with this dude? We ain’t give a fukk about east / west? He need to see a shrink or something?

 

[Kimo_bud]

Dre is the best rap artist and most successful rapper in history in terms of quality product ever.

 

[JustCKing]

Eminem absolutely saved Dre. It's not even debatable. Interscope and other execs wanted to drop Dre Iovine stuck it out and helped him find Eminem.

Eminem breathed new life into him. From there Dre was relevant again and went from being ice cold to hot and people wanting to work with him again. Dre is only as good as the people around him.

Without Eminem that song you posted or chronic 2001 does not happen.

Not saying that Eminem didn't inspire Dre to get focused again. What I'm saying is Eminem wasn't the reason people checked for Dre again. "My Name Is" didn't even sound like a Dre record. Dre being in the video is what associated him with the song and video. That and interviews. "Guilty Conscience" was more in the vein of 2001, but still isn't what sparked interest in Dre's music again. His reunion with Snoop did that. That was the catalyst. That song was big enough that Em did a part 2 for MMLP. Dre's 2001 is what made everybody from Busta to Mary to Eve want a Dre single that sounded like a 2001 outtake.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Ultimately Death Row died with Pac. Yes losing Dre was a major blow but Pac dying sucked all the momentum out. Makaveli sold well and had great production (terrible mixing tho...) without Dre, Let's say Pac lived to do another more mainstream album. Does anyone think it wouldn't be huge?

Death Row still had Daz and Pac being there would have attracted more solid producers to the camp. Yea losing Dre would have hurt but I don't see a fall off when you got the biggest rapper and he understands sonically pleasing music (good ear for beats, concepts, song structure etc). The fall off would happen eventually but not in 1997 or 1998, for instance.

DRE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ON THE MAKAVELI ALBUM!!!!!

 

[Taadow]

Absolutely it did.

 

[Taadow]

In any event having a dude like Dre in your squad can't possibly be negative, dude has proven for over 30 years that having him on your team creates millions, billions, classics, dope rappers, stars, dope producers and on. How lazy or whatever people want to call him.

Yeah. And this is why Dre leaving Death Row made a difference.
He was the biggest draw on the label, and he was first to go.

The thing you have to consider is that Aftermath basically became Death Row.

WHOA WHOA...let's not go crazy here...

 

[Harry B]

Yeah. And this is why Dre leaving Death Row made a difference.
He was the biggest draw on the label, and he was first to go.



WHOA WHOA...let's not go crazy here...

I'm not saying that it became Death Row Records as we knew it, I'm saying that it was the continuation after the real one died. And it could've been a whole lot stronger if Snoop and Dogg pound went along with him.

 

[Taadow]

I'm not saying that it became Death Row Records as we knew it, I'm saying that it was the continuation after the real one died. And it could've been a whole lot stronger if Snoop and Dogg pound went along with him.

But that's why you can't say that - Dre started Aftermath from scratch because he didn't want to have anybody from there.
That's the type of dude he is, he likes to build from the ground up and be a starmaker. The only thing Aftermath had in common
with Death Row is that Dre was there.

 

[Harry B]

But that's why you can't say that - Dre started Aftermath from scratch because he didn't want to have anybody from there.
That's the type of dude he is, he likes to build from the ground up and be a starmaker. The only thing Aftermath had in common
with Death Row is that Dre was there.

Of course but I'm saying that it matter that he left cause he was 1/2 of the management of the label and look how successful that half was and how unsuccessful the other half was.

 

[Taadow]

Of course but I'm saying that it matter that he left cause he was 1/2 of the management of the label and look how successful that half was and how unsuccessful the other half was.

Dre was NONE of the management at either place. lol

 

[Kaydigi]

You're giving Dre too much credit.

That trend started brewing before the Firm, when Dre was still making Gangsta rap.

Haven't heard this joint in about 10 years, Nas and G Rap spazzed on this.

 

[Harry B]

Dre was NONE of the management at either place. lol

Surely was creative management, Suge operational. Very normal split.
Even Jay and Dame had that split at the roc, now Jay and Jay Brown

 

[Piff Perkins]

DRE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ON THE MAKAVELI ALBUM!!!!!

That's what I said in the post you quoted lmao. It was dope and sold well without Dre.

 

[Dotcom]

All the difference in the world, after Dre left .. what did Deathrow have? Dre started Deathrow and Suge took it over from a business partner stance and made dre his worker instead of his co owner