Did Dr. Dre mismanage Rakim?

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After that Juelz cosign,its obvious he didn't have all his knowledge and mathematics figured out either. If Dre told em to put on a bandana he shoulda put on a bandana:lolbron:...I did love that "After You Die" joint they did,but I wonder if Dres beats mighta been a little to big for a rapper of Rakims skill set....beats mighta overpowered em over the course of a whole album:manny:
 

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mad props, on the origin of snoop.
plus, I am a convicts fan, from way back, too.
so, I thank you for filling me in, on the timeline.
great stuff..........

art barr


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alot of people didnt realize right when dre crossed over and learned g-funk from above the law, snoop warren nate 1/2 dead, all was around eazy nem alot even kurupt,

eazy knew kurupt better than he knew the rest of them cats

that why he asked kurupt how u bangin the 60s and a blood at the same time:dahell: what would u do(eazy's version)

eazy was around the recordin of the s.o.s band's one of many night sessions where kurupt made his first appearance ever on wax





when daz nem was dissin eazy in the infamous argument on the air, kurupt let it be known from the beginnin of the interview, and eazy talkin to him like they been potnas, kurupt didnt want no problems



eazy made daz look stupid he shut his potna in crime up kurupt, and the convo between doc n e had em like :leon:


all of their roots actually begin with eazy, in a low key way because e gave dre the lane to produce that what he was hired for, had they never fell out snoop and the rest of em would have been on ruthless
 

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How??

Ra is in my top 5 without question....

Never would disrespect Rakim...

All I said was I wish the hiatuses after Eric B wasnt so long besides his 2 joints without him...

I would have loved to hear on a classic Wu-tang joint or shyt to that effect

I thought he couldn't release any solo material after him & Eric split due to his contract. I'm sure there's an article out there that talks about how Eric wouldn't sign something that allowed Ra to record solo albums.
 
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The main point is that Rakim is overrated...

(1) He pretty much one dimensional...Hence, he couldn't survive the changes in hip hop trends...
(2) He was NOT viable in the greatest era of hip hop...Dude was considered an "old man" by rappers who where 5 years younger and less than
him...

Any top ten list that includes Rakim is suspect...His output was just not as comparable as (1) LL Cool J (2) Ice Cube (3) KRS 1 (4) 2Pac (5) Jay Z (6) Nas (7) Eminem (8) 50 Cent (9) Lil Wayne (10) Kanye West...

Note: 2Pac and 50 Cents are the only two rappers on that list that I listen to on a consistent basis...The rest are "objective" selections based on their consistent impact and production over a long period of time...

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@nineteeneightysix , you are not stating facts in this thread. You're stating educated guesses based off your own opinions.

Now here's what happened:

Rakim was not a strictly sun/moon/stars rapper or whatever that silly shyt is you said. He may put references of that sort in his lyrics, but the subject matter in his songs are normally NOT of that variety. As far as him being one-dimensional, he has shown thru his career that he was capable of braggadocio lyrics, street shyt, and girl records. And seeing as how that's pretty much the make-up of most popular artists even to this day, how the fukk would that make him one-dimensional.

When it comes to him not being around during the "GOAT era", a great deal of that has to do with record label red tape that he was tied up in after he and Eric B parted ways. And of course, his sitting out during those five years set him back, no denying that. But it had nothing to do with him being scared to compete or keep up in that era. And apparently since those seem to be the only 5 years that so-called hip-hop heads seem to care about, that's the only reason you're saying he's overrated.

He was referred to as 'old school' in the mid-90s because unlike now when rap pretty much sounds the same way it did 5 years ago, hip-hop changed a lot and very often during that time. And so, a record from '89 could be regarded old school by '95 because hip-hop was always changing. It changed so much to the point where an artist who popped in '92 might not be able to get the same reaction in '94 because their sound/style had been phased out just that fast. And so with the constant changes that took place, a record like "Follow the Leader" seemed like long, long ago by the mid-90s even tho' it was only like 6 years. Most artists of the late-80s era were considered old school by then. But to say he was 'washed up' or anything to the effect by then, is nutso. Because most rappers who disappear for 5 years usually don't get welcomed back and highly anticipated the way he was in '97. If he was just a nikka nobody gave a shyt about anymore, his return would've not been touted the way it was.

Either way, if there was ever a time for Rakim to make a comeback, it was that time with Dre on Aftermath. The time to capitalize was when "Addictive" hit and he was starting to become visible again, but they didn't run with that ball, so there it went. I would've liked to see what could've come out of it, but it's whatever. Some ideas should just remain ideas.
 

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After that Juelz cosign,its obvious he didn't have all his knowledge and mathematics figured out either. If Dre told em to put on a bandana he shoulda put on a bandana:lolbron:...I did love that "After You Die" joint they did,but I wonder if Dres beats mighta been a little to big for a rapper of Rakims skill set....beats mighta overpowered em over the course of a whole album:manny:

how are they too big/powerful when Ra has rapped over some of the hardest beats ever already, know the ledge is harder than anything Dre put out. The bottom line is Dre didn't want his product outshined by the God MC lyrics. Rakim's albums were never checked for production first, whereas Dr Dre's were/are.
 

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@nineteeneightysix , you are not stating facts in this thread. You're stating educated guesses based off your own opinions.

Now here's what happened:

Rakim was not a strictly sun/moon/stars rapper or whatever that silly shyt is you said. He may put references of that sort in his lyrics, but the subject matter in his songs are normally NOT of that variety. As far as him being one-dimensional, he has shown thru his career that he was capable of braggadocio lyrics, street shyt, and girl records. And seeing as how that's pretty much the make-up of most popular artists even to this day, how the fukk would that make him one-dimensional.

When it comes to him not being around during the "GOAT era", a great deal of that has to do with record label red tape that he was tied up in after he and Eric B parted ways. And of course, his sitting out during those five years set him back, no denying that. But it had nothing to do with him being scared to compete or keep up in that era. And apparently since those seem to be the only 5 years that so-called hip-hop heads seem to care about, that's the only reason you're saying he's overrated.

He was referred to as 'old school' in the mid-90s because unlike now when rap pretty much sounds the same way it did 5 years ago, hip-hop changed a lot and very often during that time. And so, a record from '89 could be regarded old school by '95 because hip-hop was always changing. It changed so much to the point where an artist who popped in '92 might not be able to get the same reaction in '94 because their sound/style had been phased out just that fast. And so with the constant changes that took place, a record like "Follow the Leader" seemed like long, long ago by the mid-90s even tho' it was only like 6 years. Most artists of the late-80s era were considered old school by then. But to say he was 'washed up' or anything to the effect by then, is nutso. Because most rappers who disappear for 5 years usually don't get welcomed back and highly anticipated the way he was in '97. If he was just a nikka nobody gave a shyt about anymore, his return would've not been touted the way it was.

Either way, if there was ever a time for Rakim to make a comeback, it was that time with Dre on Aftermath. The time to capitalize was when "Addictive" hit and he was starting to become visible again, but they didn't run with that ball, so there it went. I would've liked to see what could've come out of it, but it's whatever. Some ideas should just remain ideas.

excellent post
 

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After that Juelz cosign,its obvious he didn't have all his knowledge and mathematics figured out either. If Dre told em to put on a bandana he shoulda put on a bandana:lolbron:...I did love that "After You Die" joint they did,but I wonder if Dres beats mighta been a little to big for a rapper of Rakims skill set....beats mighta overpowered em over the course of a whole album:manny:


Good point, read somewhere that Dre beats on GRODT was for Rakim :huhldup:

Not a good fit at all
 
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