Did Drake make it cool/acceptable to have ghostwriters in hip hop?

[revan]

It matters but it doesn't have much effect.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

except for the last verse, the 1st or 2nd most important song in hiphop history was ghost written

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Diddy and Eazy never claimed to be the best rapper and Diddy is a producer he is working on the music. They never claimed to write the rhymes either. False equivalencies but u already knew that y'all just like to play dumb

 

[desp]

In real life no one ever cared about writers, if the music sounds good it sounds good

The only time it's relevant is if you talking about who's the best rapper

 

[Calmye]

NWA

 

[Patrick Kane]

his rap persona has always been contrived something he formed based off his relationships with cats that fit that mold more

he gives his impression of his favorite rappers & neighborhood superstars how he thinks they should talk walk etcetera

if he never formed these relationships & gained those cosigns he wouldn't be who he is.........if the character you portray is based on other individuals & formed way after the formative years of childhood i would say that qualifies as inauthenticity

rap is pop you don't have to work with artist like taylor.swift maroon5 david.guetta to be pop.........all you have to do is be popular ha

his most popular records aren't really traditional rap records & i always say that the simpgawd records are the ones truest to who he is.........he really does the rap nikka shyte for his own sake

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It blows my mind when nikkas still don’t understand the definition of pop music and quickly equate it to Kate Perry, Taylor Swift, Maroon 5, etc.

Hip Hop/Rap is POP, it’s literally the highest streaming music of any genre worldwide and the majority of the songs on the Billboard 100 have Hip Hop/Rap/R&B elements to it. Cac Malone is one of the biggest “pop” act out and he vulturing off Hip Hop/Rap.. the rockstar shyt is dead. Rap stars are the new rock stars hence making the POPULAR music of the day. And I like the point you made earlier about Drake being the final point of a long road travelled... those are all facts

Drake became the face of POP making R&B/Rap his way, well, with the help of the tents and just made undeniably good music over the course of the last decade. Say what you want but the man has hit after hit and they’re all elements of Rap/Hip Hop/R&B. And the nikka CAN actually spit when he in his pocket.

Rap has just evolved so much the past decade and due to its popularity, it’ll continue to break off into different sub genres and it’s popularity will only continue to grow. I think Kanye and then Drake helped usher in that ...

 

[mobbinfms]

No.

Meek made it a big deal publicly after years of everyone from Sigel to LL to Mase to Snoop to Prodigy to Chuck D to Game using them.

The coli and similar sites are acting like Quentin Miller is the first case or the worst case but a vocal minority just singled out who they wanted to bytch about and ignored everything else.

People really don't want to know the full truth about many things because much of the magic and appeal would be gone.

 

[Sinister]

Hav

 

[JustCKing]

Diddy and Eazy never claimed to be the best rapper and Diddy is a producer he is working on the music. They never claimed to write the rhymes either. False equivalencies but u already knew that y'all just like to play dumb

But this line of thinking opens the door for ghostwriting being acceptable. You can't say it's cool for Diddy and Dre to openly have writers, but say ghostwriting has never been acceptable. It's a contradictory statement and no one is going to take it seriously because passes are given. If its unacceptable, it shouldn't matter whether someone is claiming to be the best or not.

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

It’ll never be acceptable, it’s only acceptable to rappers who nobody cares about

If you wanna be a respectable artist it matters

But it’s not like any rational Hip-Hop fan thought quality wise Drake was anywhere near a top 50-100 rap artist list

 

[mobbinfms]

Hav

:Pgtfoh:
You talking about Hav taught P to rhyme and P thought Hav to make beats when they were starting out?
Or do you have receipts on specific songs. :Pgtfoh:

 

[Sinister]

:Pgtfoh:
You talking about Hav taught P to rhyme and P thought Hav to make beats when they were starting out?
Or do you have receipts on specific songs. :Pgtfoh:

Still happened

 

[Shadow King]

It's still not accepted. You're seeing the question being asked based on female artists when females always relied on men to write for them. You don't and won't see male rappers joking about having writers as long as rappers have the pressure to live out their image/sound.

 

[Shadow King]

First people/the internet need to decide what they really consider ghost writing.

Having someone write on your record and giving them credit is not ghost writing IMO. Having someone write and pretending you did it, is.

I give no fukks about the first, hate to see the latter. It doesn't make me stop supporting an artist but it detracts from my reverence for them if they don't write their own lyrics. but lets face it not everyone can be the star/artist most background people ESPECIALLY writers just do not have IT. Regardless of who wrote the lyrics would you rather hear them delivered from Quentin Miller or Drake?

If you don't care about ghostwriting you shouldn't care about credited writers either...

 

[Hot Red Buns]

If you don't care about ghostwriting you shouldn't care about credited writers either...

I care that if someone contributes lyrics to a track they are given the proper credit. My post made that clear.