did johnny gill upgrade ne or stagnated them

[dora_da_destroyer]

you know ne would have gave then the business

Based on what? There has been a lot of revisionism since that movie dropped, NE wasn't infallible. They had plenty of bum albums, maybe a track or two that hit with their fanbase, but heartbreak was their pinnacle, I don't see them lapping all those other groups...they might have stayed in the mix for one more album - possibly - but by 92/93, they'd be supplanted, that's simply the cycle of music.

 

[Guvnor]

I don't know about that either. For as great a voice as Johnny had, nobody could believe ballads sung by a 16-17 year old in the 80's. He was too young to be singing quiet storm radio. It took a few more years and the connection of New Editions fan base for him to take off as a soloist.

Well when you put it that way, you got a point but had he put in them years focusing on a solo career. Who's to say he wouldn't had got there eventually or changed his style up so it was more palletable.

Lol, JG was struggling, dude was august alsina out here. Putting him with NE gave him a fanbase he couldn't get on his own and opened the door to the production and songwriters he needed to take off with the adult crowd on his solo after heartbreak

i hear that and your right but like I said who's to say he wouldn't had got there eventually. You got to start somewhere and his start was with NE but all it takes is one hit. If he had came with some fire his career would have took off cause he had the talent. He just needed to switch up from the ballads in order to try and create something more "hip" and age appropriate for him.

As much as New Edition opened doors for him it also messed things up because of all the fighting and what not. They could have possible made more money and records had they got their shyt together.

Seriously johnny might go down as one of the most underrated legends of our time .


Dude voice is just fukking amazing and he could have been way bigger staying solo surrounded by the right team of writers and producers .

Agreed, he's really underrated.

 

[Guvnor]

How could he ask 'what if' when the previous 5 years of his solo career hadn't yet panned out too great? NE propelled him to an album where he got to work with the two top production teams of their time, and the biggest album of his career. How much bigger would he have been without that NE album happening?

Look at what it came with though, as much as it helped him get to where he got with My, My, My and all that. Like I said maybe he could have gotten father ahead if he focused more Solo. New Edition opened doors for him for sure, no doubt, but they also closed doors as well with their arguing and fighting and drug use. He is also left in a spot where he is still underrated.

I guess everything happens how it is supposed to though but if he focused more Solo and would have popped, he would have had a better solo career for sure imo. Their is no guarantee here but I'm saying hypothetically had he had the right producers and tracks he would have took off solo wise and be up there higher than he is right now.

 

[DANJ!]

Look at what it came with though, as much as it helped him get to where he got with My, My, My and all that. Like I said maybe he could have gotten father ahead if he focused more Solo. New Edition opened doors for him for sure, no doubt, but they also closed doors as well with their arguing and fighting and drug use. He is also left in a spot where he is still underrated.

I guess everything happens how it is supposed to though but if he focused more Solo and would have popped, he would have had a better solo career for sure imo. Their is no guarantee here but I'm saying hypothetically had he had the right producers and tracks he would have took off solo wise and be up there higher than he is right now.

When you think about it tho', he did focus mainly on his solo career after the NE split in '90. Only time he went back to deal w/ NE was in '96. Outside of that, he dropped albums in '90, '93 and '96, then went on to do the LSG albums,and so on. NE did more for his solo career than he did for NE.

 

[Guvnor]

When you think about it tho', he did focus mainly on his solo career after the NE split in '90. Only time he went back to deal w/ NE was in '96. Outside of that, he dropped albums in '90, '93 and '96, then went on to do the LSG albums,and so on. NE did more for his solo career than he did for NE.

I can't argue with that man, those are the facts. NE helped put him in position to have the solo career that he did have. No question about that and that's why I feel sometimes things happen how they are supposed to.

My point though is he never got his just do, had more vocal talent then the others and I feel their is that chance that had he not got down with NE and got the right solo situation then maybe just maybe he could have had a better solo career so in that way NE messed him up. Cause though NE put him in position to have the solo career he did have as he was struggling before that with minor spins, it also left his solo career in a space where he is underrated and because of that it's like a gift and a curse. You understand what I'm trying to say? That's why I ask if NE held him back because though he had his chance to do his solo thing it broke his focus up when he did the New Edition thing and when it came to him doing his solo thing if he had more years and time to just focus on that, coupled with a good team around him, would that have helped his solo career out and got him a lot more recognition? Who knows?

 

[SpacelySprockets]

the lowkey ralph disrespect in this thread

 

[jackson35]

Based on what? There has been a lot of revisionism since that movie dropped, NE wasn't infallible. They had plenty of bum albums, maybe a track or two that hit with their fanbase, but heartbreak was their pinnacle, I don't see them lapping all those other groups...they might have stayed in the mix for one more album - possibly - but by 92/93, they'd be supplanted, that's simply the cycle of music.

the hottest producers would hook them if they got along better as agroup

 

[avon barksdale]

still is the best singer in the group 30 years later

 

[Vancouver Grizzly Fan]

the lowkey ralph disrespect in this thread

Not really. Ralph and Ricky were no where on the level of Johnny.

They were below him on the totem pole when it came to vocals.

 

[jackson35]

Not really. Ralph and Ricky were no where on the level of Johnny.

They were below him on the totem pole when it came to vocals.

sensitivity gave my, my my, that work on the charts.

 

[Guvnor]

sensitivity gave my, my my, that work on the charts.

Ralph nice but cmon son.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Truth be told they made better music with him.

Johnny was vocalist that had a very mature voice for his age.

That & the contrast between Ralph & johnny vocals fit perfectly. It added another layer to their sound that someone like bobby couldn't contribute.

It's mj & Luther tag teaming for songs.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

the lowkey ralph disrespect in this thread

Ralph is a better vocalist than he's given credit for.

Dudes with high voices more times than not get the short end of the stick while powerhouse singers are always considered as great singers.

 

[jackson35]

hit me off was some fly shyt

 

[I love Latina women]

What kind of question is this? Of course he upgraded them

Ralph was the best singer out of the group and then when they added Johnny after Bobby left, it was an upgrade. Bobby was never that much of a singer, he just had enough voice to get by. Bobby is more of a entertainer/dancer than he is singer.

Ralph and Johnny's vocals > Ralph, Bobby, Ronnie, Mike