Did Prime & Moss ever go against each other?

[Digga38]

By the time Moss came along Deion was in his 30's and battling the turf toe issues. Woulda been nice to see them battle it out in their primes though. Deion woulda been there with him stride for stride but the question is could he have stopped those jump balls?

Can we stop with this narrative that Moss didn't work hard. You don't do what he did at that level for as long as he did it without working hard. Also an underrated part of Moss' game was his intelligence and understanding of the game. Every coach of his has marvelled at his mind. You see that Chad (a pretty nice reciever in his own right) struggled to grasp NE's playbook and Moss picked that shyt up pretty much immediately.

exactly why i said allegedly

 

[DonkeyPuncher718]

If Moss had the same work ethic as TO or Jerry Rice he would have been the GOAT. He had the hops, had the speed, he just didn't have the dedication. He was never known for his routes. He was a guy who would stretch the field with his speed, height, and jumping ability. Anybody who watched Moss in his prime knows this, I give 0 f*cks what your coli collective thinks

The ignorance on this site is really getting out of hand lately Moss was only known for his speed smh If you were next to me I would punch you right in your stomach for disrespecting Randy "Straight Cash Homey" Moss

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

T..O better then Moss

 

[blackzeus]

The ignorance on this site is really getting out of hand lately Moss was only known for his speed smh If you were next to me I would punch you right in your stomach for disrespecting Randy "Straight Cash Homey" Moss

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Randy Moss didn't work between the hashmarks. He'll tell you that. So will Cris Carter. That wasn't his game. He may have done it some, but he didn't earn his paycheck doing it.

A Randy Moss highlight is a poor substitute for actually watching the games he played in.

Most complete WR in football??? Maybe to you, but it's not really an evaluation most analysts have about his game.

He definitely wasn't a great route runner. Moss was able to get open so frequently because ALL corners gave him a 10-15 yard cushion because of his deep threat. His 2/3 catches of less than 20 yards just shows that the typical Randy Moss route was running straight ahead for roughly 17-20 yards, stopping then turning around for the football to arrive.

He wasn't beating guys in coverage because of precise route running.

I'm not knocking Moss for having elite speed and exploiting it to get open, but corners being afraid that Moss might run by them doesn't make him a great route runner, or a complete WR.

Now that Randy has slowed some, you see the glaring deficiencies in his ability to get open running clean routes.

In Defense of Randy Moss

Jerry Rice was THE KING of precise route running…Randy Moss was so good that routes didn’t matter for him.

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/10/31/randy-moss-and-exceptions-to-the-rule/

Invariably a significant percentage of fans will say that Moss is a one-dimensional player who runs only a few routes and never puts forth the consistent effort every week to earn the mantle of greatness.

There’s some truth to those points. Moss didn’t run the same route tree as Michael Irvin. Although he was always in tip-top shape, camera crews weren’t following him during his offseason training regimen like they did with Jerry Rice. He didn’t define effort like Fred Biletnikoff or Wayne Chrebet and his lapses of motivation didn’t inspire organizational loyalty.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...s-wasting-their-time-working-out-washed-up-wr

Moss has a huge problem in his comeback bid. He never learned how to be a real receiver.

This didn't keep him from being a dominant receiver earlier in his career. He used his speed, hops and hands to get open deep and make huge plays. Lots of them.

As a receiver ages, they have to use their route-running ability to get open. Moss doesn't have route-running ability. This is a player that probably thinks a route tree can be found in the desert next to the Joshua tree.

Now that his speed is gone, he has nothing to fall back on, and this leaves him worthless to NFL clubs.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--best-wide-receiver-ever--jerry-rice-vs--randy-moss-233828619.html

"First of all, Randy Moss is held in contempt," said former Atlanta Falcons and Indianapolis Colts cornerback Ray Buchanan, who played against both Rice and Moss on multiple occasions during his 12-year career. "He has not at all obeyed protocol for wide receivers. And with all due respect to Randy Moss, I had to do a lot more film study to get ready for Jerry because I had to get ready for every route. He ran every route available, to perfection, and he ran them all the same, so it was almost impossible to stop. With Randy, I didn't even have to watch film, because it was all about the 'Go' route."

But let the Coli collective revisionists tell the story, Moss was a Hall of Fame route runner I'll take Ray Buchanan's opinion over the Coli collective

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

 

[NormanConnors]

Montana and Rice giving young Prime that work

sounds like a dish served cold (with ether)

 

[Hov]

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In Defense of Randy Moss



http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/10/31/randy-moss-and-exceptions-to-the-rule/



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...s-wasting-their-time-working-out-washed-up-wr



http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--best-wide-receiver-ever--jerry-rice-vs--randy-moss-233828619.html



But let the Coli collective revisionists tell the story, Moss was a Hall of Fame route runner I'll take Ray Buchanan's opinion over the Coli collective

I have always wondered this. Why do non-football players put so much stock into things like route running and things someone told you mean alot. If's like, the point of the game is to score tds and win. Randy Moss came into the NFL as a rookie and put up 17 tds. If Megatron or AJ Green or anyone ever did that in their 1st 4 yrs they would be talked about as HOF in todays media.

I just dont understand how can you "clown" someone who has the NFL WR td record in a season when they were like 33 years old or something....

I mean, he absolutely changed the entire NFL, and there has been no defense played like the one they had to play against Moss in his prime....What is the argument? I dont give a shyt if someone can run 15 yd curl when they can go 80 for a td is someone even THINKs about covering him one on one...

 

[VegetasHairline]

T..O better then Moss

Straight up BLASPHEMY!

 

[VegetasHairline]

Answer me this brehs. Why would you want Randy Moss running slants, curls, and other various short routes? There the risk of him taking those big hits and having his career shortened by doing that. He was the best deep threat receiver in NFL history. Was also the best jump ball receiver in NFL history. So why would you wanna waste those talents by having him run short routes?

 

[blackzeus]

Answer me this brehs. Why would you want Randy Moss running slants, curls, and other various short routes? There the risk of him taking those big hits and having his career shortened by doing that. He was the best deep threat receiver in NFL history. Was also the best jump ball receiver in NFL history. So why would you wanna waste those talents by having him run short routes?

I have always wondered this. Why do non-football players put so much stock into things like route running and things someone told you mean alot. If's like, the point of the game is to score tds and win. Randy Moss came into the NFL as a rookie and put up 17 tds. If Megatron or AJ Green or anyone ever did that in their 1st 4 yrs they would be talked about as HOF in todays media.

I just dont understand how can you "clown" someone who has the NFL WR td record in a season when they were like 33 years old or something....

I mean, he absolutely changed the entire NFL, and there has been no defense played like the one they had to play against Moss in his prime....What is the argument? I dont give a shyt if someone can run 15 yd curl when they can go 80 for a td is someone even THINKs about covering him one on one...

Ah so now it goes from "Moss was a great runner, @blackzeus is full of sh*t" to "Is route running even that important?" Look Coli collective, or whatever you f*ck nikkaz call yourselves, there is nothing more fundamental to the WR position than good route running, outside of being able to catch a ball of course. That's why Jerry Rice is the greatest, 15 years into the game, he was still dominating. As soon as Moss's speed fell off, and the game adjusted to him, it was a wrap. The nerve of you nikkaz to call yourselves authorities in the sport and denigrate route running is status.

 

[Hov]

Ah so now it goes from "Moss was a great runner, @blackzeus is full of sh*t" to "Is route running even that important?" Look Coli collective, or whatever you f*ck nikkaz call yourselves, there is nothing more fundamental to the WR position than good route running, outside of being able to catch a ball of course. That's why Jerry Rice is the greatest, 15 years into the game, he was still dominating. As soon as Moss's speed fell off, and the game adjusted to him, it was a wrap. The nerve of you nikkaz to call yourselves authorities in the sport and denigrate route running is status.

That's not true my friend. How and when did Moss "fall off"?? 13 year in the NFL, he still had 10 TDS (2010). 2012 he had 3 tds, his 14TH nfl year. So was he supposed to score 25 tds a year till he is 45?

Also, Rice came into the NFL at 23. Moss at 21.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Prime faked a injury when Moss came to town

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Who said Moss was a Great Route runner??

How many 6'4 Wrs are Great Route runners??

He was a lot better then Average tho that's for damn sure

 

[blackzeus]

That's not true my friend. How and when did Moss "fall off"?? 13 year in the NFL, he still had 10 TDS (2010). 2012 he had 3 tds, his 14TH nfl year. So was he supposed to score 25 tds a year till he is 45?

Also, Rice came into the NFL at 23. Moss at 21.

Breh, you keep moving the goal posts. Sh*t went from Did Moss & Prime go against each other, to was Moss a great route runner, to now if he fell off or not. This is some asinine sh*t to be discussing, I already made my point. And again, I said that Moss would have been the GOAT if he had any work ethic. Jerry Rice in his 17th year had 1200+ yards, 92 receptions, 7 TDs, 12 plays of over 20+ yards, 3 plays of over 40+ yards, and the Raiders reached the Superbowl. Moss in his 17th year was washed up and out of the league, and that's not because of athletic ability, but because as many pundits have stated, he never learned how to run routes. Yet you're talking like he would beat Deion with pure speed Deion could match Randy step for step breh, we're talking about a guy who ran a 4.6 backwards. And as you mentioned, Rice came into the league older than Moss. I don't know why I even waste time with you nikkaz, this sh*t is a joke, no real analyst would take any of you nikkaz seriously. God bless you and your opinions, peace breh.

 

[Da Jungles]

http://www.texnews.com/1998/1999/cowboys/moss1106.html

Moss - 6/91 2 TDs http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199911080min.htm

I see no one is reading the quote. Funny shyt