Did RZA bite from MF DOOM? | WuTangCorp.com Question

[LevelUp]

Originally taken from A Wu Tang Corp discussion but





In this song by former friend/enemy of MF DOOM, MF GRIMM claims that DOOM used to think RZA bit the song "Tick, Tick" from Operation DOOMSDAY.....what song could he be talking about?

The Genius annotation says its referring to Brooklyn Babies because of how the tempo changes just like Tick Tick, but to say this is a bite, is a bit of a stretch.



[Verse 4: MF Grimm]
Doing songs with RZA? That’s funny shyt
I remember you told me that he bit “Tick, Tick...”
You said Ghost was wack, you didn’t like his style
Two-faced and three-headed, bytch, I’ll pull your file
New food poisoning, you Vomit for a while
You started some shyt, now you’re sitting on a pile
Metal Fake, tin foil, walk the Green Mile
Just let it ride right now

 

[PlayerNinety_Nine]

I always thought that "..Kung fu fighting, everybody was biting/ then the supervillain strike again like lightning..." on Hero Vs Villain was a shot, but no idea what song Grimm might be talking about. 'Stroke Of Death' maybe, but that feels like a bit of a stretch

 

[Bugzbunny129]

Hes talking about Brooklyn babies

If anything doom bit off rza.

A LOT of the elements doom would use in his music that he now gets credit for, started before him. Wu would do them the most but it didn't even start with them neither.

Speeding up and slowing down a tempo is prolly like the first thing any producer would think to do.

I always thought that "..Kung fu fighting, everybody was biting/ then the supervillain strike again like lightning..." on Hero Vs Villain was a shot, but no idea what song Grimm might be talking about. 'Stroke Of Death' maybe, but that feels like a bit of a stretch

Hes talking about brooklyn babies doing the speeding up/slowing down tempo thing. Doom is NOT the first person to do such a thing.

 

[OmegaK2099]

Everyone did

 

[Ziggiy]

RZA ain’t bite no damn Doom

 

[u mad son?]

I remember this thread on wu tang corp

I used to think it was a straight up bite, but its one of those ones where someone would have done it eventually.

Rza the same dude who put together the "Shark nikkas" clip, I doubt he bit intentionally and they're both geniuses so I can imagine he would have thought of the idea anyway without any outside ideas.

They both worked together towards the end too, so they probably had this convo themselves.

 

[u mad son?]

Hes talking about Brooklyn babies

If anything doom bit off rza.

A LOT of the elements doom would use in his music that he now gets credit for, started before him. Wu would do them the most but it didn't even start with them neither.

Speeding up and slowing down a tempo is prolly like the first thing any producer would think to do.


Hes talking about brooklyn babies doing the speeding up/slowing down tempo thing. Doom is NOT the first person to do such a thing.

One thing I'll say Rza really made original was using vocals in sample chops.

Kanye mentioned that he got that from Rza ... leaving the dying embers of a singers note to use as a chop, Ice Water comes to mind but hes done it on many tracks. So ill.

 

[Bugzbunny129]

One thing I'll say Rza really made original was using vocals in sample chops.

Kanye mentioned that he got that from Rza ... leaving the dying embers of a singers note to use as a chop, Ice Water comes to mind but hes done it on many tracks. So ill.

Oh for sure. Rza did a lot of firsts that people just catch onto now. Each wu album has its own unique sonics that ONLy fit to those rappers. Whilst also making an overall sound with pieces of other guys themes to create a bigger picture even. The sonics are just another level than the rest imo.

Imo the entire madlib dilla doom 9th wonder alc ug run is all based off the rza. As well as the kanye justblaze commercial etc stuff.

Even primo. His run should be classified as pre or post rza as rzas chops made primo step his game up after 36 chambers.

Dilla studied his style to make the rae and ghost beats. Dilla imo is prolly the closest but rza scouted much better talent as well which hes underrated for. Never mind puttimg on more mcs than anyone.

I love doom. But pshhh bytch the rza

 

[DrHackenbush]

Rza was heavily influenced by Muggs I think..36 chambers sounded a lot like the first Cypress Hill album production wise

 

[Juggalo Fred]

I remember this thread on wu tang corp

I used to think it was a straight up bite, but its one of those ones where someone would have done it eventually.

Rza the same dude who put together the "Shark nikkas" clip, I doubt he bit intentionally and they're both geniuses so I can imagine he would have thought of the idea anyway without any outside ideas.

They both worked together towards the end too, so they probably had this convo themselves.

Rza definitely bit horrorcore though gravediggaz came out many years after Esham

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

On the real, DOOM while he was revolutionary with the beats, flow, cadence, and birthing most artists nowadays, the fact remains that he bit off of the following:

• KMD=De La Soul
• The DOOM persona=Dr Octagon
• Various gimmicks= Kool Keith

His beat making techniques are basically what Rza was doing before it became popular. Hell, Havoc did the same thing:

• Take a drum loop
• Take a sample loop
• Match the BPMs
• ???
• Profit

What DOOM did however was the extra stutter drum technique which still blows my mind to this very day. Overall, it hurt when the guys broke up. DOOM and Grimm was like the yin and yang of styles. I remember when "The Book of Daniel" dropped and heads were like


While others were swearing that Grimm was riding the 50 publicity beef route. When in reality, DOOM was the one in the wrong. Grimm brought him in and gave him game at his lowest point. All for DOOM to just treat him and the MIC like weed carriers. Grimm was heavily responsible for Operation Doomsday, but he will never get that due, and it's fine because RIP to the gawd, and Grimm is still one of my favorite rappers of all time.


Such a shame they broke up and barely reconcile until it was too late.

 

[THE 101]

I wouldn't consider that biting. Artists get inspired and influenced by other artists. It's not like RZA flipped the same sample or took specific flows or lyrics from the song.

There's DOOM beats that sound a little RZA inspired and there's obviously a gang of rappers since the 2000s that have been influenced by DOOM's rapping.

This is how the genre evolves. The great artists both give and take.

 

[Art Barr]

One thing I'll say Rza really made original was using vocals in sample chops.

Kanye mentioned that he got that from Rza ... leaving the dying embers of a singers note to use as a chop, Ice Water comes to mind but hes done it on many tracks. So ill.

RZa did not start that.




Art Barr

 

[u mad son?]

RZa did not start that.




Art Barr

Who did?

 

[Art Barr]

Who did?

Well the first big soul singer sample was of course, the obvious James brown wail, ugnhh and huh sample.

After that.

It is a number of early records I can think of:


Sally : stet
3xdope : greatest man alive
Rob base : it takes two


Erick sermon was the first best producer at it easy too tho. The second epmd album is a clinic of voice samples. That rza is improperly given credit for. Which is because of wack so called culture thief journalist who got to make articles speaking out of turn and not knowing hiphop history. It is a lot of communication act face ass writers. Who not even old enough.
to know to dig in the golden era.
Plus try to speak false narratives about hiphop. When it is obvious they are toys.

This whole communication act prison industrial economy gateway rap fan is easily exposed.

As they failed to dig in the crate and it is easily discernible if you are really a part of a pillar and know hiphop history in full.

Art Barr