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Dr. J was 1-4 in the finals yet you wouldn't know it because the new age championship mantra wasn't there
Did the "how many Finals losses" begin with Lebron?
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The Warriors, Spurs and big 3 Celts bron teams faced are better than every team MJ faced in the finals
Not really.
The Warriors, Spurs and big 3 Celts bron teams faced are better than every team MJ faced in the finals
Kobe lost to the greatest defense in the modern era and then to probably the second greatest defense after that. If Bron had to play out West against the Spurs, Mavs, Lakers, Nuggets, Grizzlies, Thunder, Suns, Rockets and in recent years, the Warriors, dude probably would have only went to half the Finals he went to. Ironically, he would be looked at more favorably if he was 2/3 in the Finals or 3/4 but, that's how it goes. Nobody about to give you brownie points for making the FinalsYou gotta win fakkit. Your teacher aint about to give you an A in the Final exam just because you came to class all year and got 90s on every test. You gotta earn the A on the Final too.
Switch the West champs and the East champs each year, and Lebron makes it to at least as many Finals.
Which year in his championship runs do you think that Lebron's team would have lost to the West runner-ups?
It's making the point that lebron has lost when should've won. The magic in 2009, the mavs in 2011 for example. Especially the mavs, choking a 2-1 lead while scoring 8 in a finals game and letting flabby Kidd n Barea beat you. Even lost on his own floor too.
I don't even know how to respond to this. The Big 3 Celtics and 07 Spurs were better than 91 Lakers and Utah? Better than Shaq and Penny led Orlando?
This narrative exists because of Lebron's tendency to fold up in the clutch, and even still it's only brought up by Skip Bayless and Stephen A.
The rest of the media make excuses for every Finals and playoff loss for Lebron (besides Mavs). It's nice to be the King
"He needs more help!" "But but he's carrying the team!"
The rest of the media make excuses for every Finals and playoff loss for Lebron (besides Mavs). It's nice to be the King
"He needs more help!" "But but he's carrying the team!"
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This is pure speculation
1st i remember hearing of it was with Kobe. Kobe was the guy they were saying had a chance to catch or surpass Jordan. then it moved to LeBron after 2011.
They (media) try so hard to anoint the next as being better than MJ because they have to be able to talk about something. The bar is so high, even a little slip up discredits you. For people that are old enough to have watched MJ from the jump, these comparisons are laughable. Do people even understand that for all the dikksuckin on Lebron's defense, he's never had a 100 block season? Never led the league in steals? 6'8 260 lbs and the best move you have is being a help defender to block a shot lol. Do people understand that MJ had back to back 100+ block seasons while still being the leading scorer in the league? And also leading the league in steals 3 times? There's never been anything like prime MJ brehs. Just overall the perfect basketball player. MJ had 2 threepeats brehs, Lebron doesn't even have 1 yet lol
Again, MJ the only player in NBA history to have never scored less than 15 points in a playoff game, ever. He also the only player to never score less than 20 in a Finals game, ever. Even on a bad shooting night, he knew to score by gettin to the FT line. Bron prolly wishing upon a star to even break 70% ft in the playoffs
MJ=GOAT
Again, MJ the only player in NBA history to have never scored less than 15 points in a playoff game, ever. He also the only player to never score less than 20 in a Finals game, ever. Even on a bad shooting night, he knew to score by gettin to the FT line. Bron prolly wishing upon a star to even break 70% ft in the playoffs
MJ=GOAT
They (media) try so hard to anoint the next as being better than MJ because they have to be able to talk about something. The bar is so high, even a little slip up discredits you. For people that are old enough to have watched MJ from the jump, these comparisons are laughable. Do people even understand that for all the dikksuckin on Lebron's defense, he's never had a 100 block season? Never led the league in steals? 6'8 260 lbs and the best move you have is being a help defender to block a shot lol. Do people understand that MJ had back to back 100+ block seasons while still being the leading scorer in the league? And also leading the league in steals 3 times? There's never been anything like prime MJ brehs. Just overall the perfect basketball player. MJ had 2 threepeats brehs, Lebron doesn't even have 1 yet lol
Again, MJ the only player in NBA history to have never scored less than 15 points in a playoff game, ever. He also the only player to never score less than 20 in a Finals game, ever.
MJ=GOAT
These young nikkas weren't alive to see MJ snatch so many great player's souls.
MJ denied so many great players the chance to win a championship. The dudes with *'s either won when MJ stepped away from the game.
Patrick Ewing
Reggie Miller
Dominique Wilkins
Charles Barkley
Kevin Johnson
Shawn Kemp
*Gary Payton
Karl Malone
John Stockton
Terrell Brandon (young nikkas do not know about this dude!)
Steve Smith
Dikembe Mutombo
*Alonzo Mourning
Tim Hardaway
*Glen Rice
*Clyde Drexler
...and many more
Who is on LeBron's "denied" list?
For now, I have:
Kevin Durant
Russell Westbrook
James Harden (arguably, not at his peak in that Finals matchup)
Paul George
Derrick Rose (which shouldn't count due to injuries)
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These young nikkas weren't alive to see MJ snatch so many great player's souls.
People forget too they were down, after a timeout MJ drives and scores (actually a hard layup too); then he cheats and strips Malone for the steal, all to setup "the shot". Just unreal when the pressure was on how clutch MJ was.
MJ made the cacs so furious in Utah
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That's a poor argument unless Bron didn't have something on that wave length like 07. He fought fire with fire when it came to The Warriors & Celtics. Can you believe that there was once a world where players rocked with the hand they were dealt? (sans 93 Barkley). The 80s Pistons didn't have as much talent as The 80s Celtics but they kept at it till they got it done. Why bring up the argument that the teams Jordan faced teams that weren't as good when the league standard was 1 or 2 all stars on all relevant teams. The truth of the matter is if you took the all stars off The Bulls as well as the teams they faced in The Finals during their championship runs the opposing teams had the better squads lol
People forget too they were down, after a timeout MJ drives and scores (actually a hard layup too); then he cheats and strips Malone for the steal, all to setup "the shot". Just unreal when the pressure was on how clutch MJ was.
MJ made the cacs so furious in Utah
Those cacs were furious!
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Yea I never knew Magic lost in the finals 4 times until I heard it the other day. Cause it was NEVER bought up