Did the "how many Finals losses" begin with Lebron?

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Ehhhh people were absolutely going st Dr J for not getting it done before 83:gucci:
No they weren't. They were rooting for Doc and he was a sympathetic figure. I was around for it.

Sports culture back then wasn't built on hate like it is today.
 

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Yet he had two guys that were lock down defenders and the only man I ever saw give Shaq problems in Rodman.

Rodman holding Shaq was :wow:

i wouldn't said he held shaq who avg 27-11-4- 1.5-1.5 on 64% shooting from the field. Now of course bulls had that 3 headed monster at center plus rodman so we don't know the stats when rodman guarded him specifically in that series
 

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i wouldn't said he held shaq who avg 27-11-4- 1.5-1.5 on 64% shooting from the field. Now of course bulls had that 3 headed monster at center plus rodman so we don't know the stats when rodman guarded him specifically in that series
Rodman gave Shaq the most trouble out of anyone I personally saw hold him.

It was in spot duty....but it was proflific.
 

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The best part is that it's almost always non championship game/series losses that eat at players the most. Denver losing in the divisional round to the jaguars in 1996, the 1998 NFC title game, the sonics being upset in the first round in 1994, Dallas getting beat by the warriors, Manu committing that awful foul on Dirk that ended up costing San Antonio the game, the lakers getting beat by the rockets in 1981 and 1986, Chicago's losses to Detroit from 1988-1990, bird stealing the inbounds pass in game 5. The Charles smith game, Miami losing games 6-7 in 2005 to Detroit.

Dont remind me :snoop:
 

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Let's take a look at the teams that Shaq and Duncan's lakers and spurs beat in the finals :francis:

1999 Knicks. 8 seed minus Patrick Ewing who was lost to injury

2000 pacers: a team with Reggie miller as its best player. Little more needs to be said.

2001 76ers: Theo Ratliff was their second leading scorer. We shouldn't have to elaborate further.

2002-03 nets: the nets. Little more needs to be said. Those two teams don't even reach the finals in any other decade. They probably don't even reach the conference finals any other decade.

2005 pistons: they were great on defense, but once again were a below average offense. Offenses were generally in the shytter at this point in time though.

2007 cavaliers: Larry Hughes or drew gooden was the second best player on that team.

There's not a single team on that list that reached 60 wins. By default I guess the best team on that list is the 2005 pistons. If any of those teams win the title, they'd be looked at among the worst teams to ever win the championship.



Reggie miller is arguably the greatest clutch shooter, that pacers team is THE ONLY TEAM TO TAKE THE BULLS CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM TO 7 GAMES DURING THEIR RUN.....with Mark jackson all time leading assist in NBA, the Davis Bros were perennial all-stars, the Chris mullen comming off the bench.

Those pistons teams reached the conference finals like 4 years in row, that's more then proving themselves....plus that same team beat a PRIME kobe an Shaq in the finals.

By the way, LeBron has only beaten 9 teams with 50+ wins in the playoffs, while kobe has beaten 27..........:francis:

The west was stacked I the 2000's
Webber's kings
Duncan an Robinson spurs
Dirks mavericks
Kobe an Shaq Lakers
Scottie Pippen's blazers which almost beat the Lakers in 2000 conference finals.


Your only argument is the nets and Iverson's sixers, after that you have no arguement.
 
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Reggie miller is arguably the greatest clutch shooter, that pacers team is THE ONLY TEAM TO TAKE THE BULLS CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM TO 7 GAMES DURING THEIR RUN.....so your wrong there.

Those pistons teams reached the conference finals like 4 years in row, that's more then proving themselves.

By the way, LeBron has only beaten 9 teams with 50+ wins in the playoffs, while kobe has beaten 27..........:francis:

The west was stacked I the 2000's
Webber's kings
Duncan an Robinson spurs
Dirks mavericks
Kobe an Shaq Lakers
Scottie Pippen's blazers which almost beat the Lakers in 2000 conference finals.


Your only argument is the nets and Iverson's sixers, after that you have no arguement.
Reggie was a poor mans klay Thompson. If he's your best player then your aren't a contender. He never made even an all NBA second team (just two all NBA third team nominations) and never made an all defensive team. Just 19% of his made shots were not assisted on, so he couldn't create for himself or for others. Never finished top ten in MVP voting. The bulls got pushed that far because they were running on fumes after reaching at least the conference finals all but one year from 1990-98. That 50+ wins graphic is outdated you're basing your statement on, and the majority of those teams Kobe "beat" were either while Shaq was on the team or of the 50-54 win variety. Very few of them were real contenders. I certainly hope you're not trying to prop up those nuggets or jazz teams or that rockets team missing McGrady and that lose Yao during the series. Los Angeles didn't face Dallas in the playoffs until 2011 and they hada few seasons of a suspect defense that no team could win a title with, so you get no points for bringing them up as a team the lakers faced and when they played the spurs in 2003, Dirk had a torn meniscus. Portland lost in the first round each of the 3 years from 2001-03, so they were done as contenders after 2000. Try harder.
 

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I agree. The Finals loss tally is only a criticism when LeBron is compared to other greats.

Also, it started gaining significant momentum after the loss to the Mavs in 2011--primarily because LeBron had an awful series, to the point where you had to wonder was he shook, and ask if these older cats really know how to get at him like that?

Recently, I saw a graphic where it showed that LeBron was the first player to take two different teams to four Finals each. But all I could think about was that if LeBron won most of them then you could legitimately put him next to or above Jordan.

Real talk, people only get down on LeBron because he could've taken the GOAT crown from Jordan.
Well he had the easiest road to do so EVER


He entire career has been built around having the easiest of everything
 

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Well he had the easiest road to do so EVER


He entire career has been built around having the easiest of everything

Sorry but you hating right now. LeBron has a proven history of making teams contenders, as he was regarded as the usurper to Jordan's throne for a reason. Only he wasn't able to actually win most of his finals runs to make his ascension complete. It's a shame too because LeBron is a proper role model for many.
 

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Duncan lost in the first rounds 4 times, and 5 times in the 2nd round. 7 of the 9 the loses were as spurs was the higher seed.

:mjlol:you're counting a year where Duncan sat out with injury in 2000 as a first round exit. It took 12 seasons before he lost in the first round. No one won a championship every year of their career so whats the point of posting this? but of course everyone daps this misinformation to discredit his greatness. I see yall :smugbiden:
 
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