Did the Oklahoma bomber have help from al-Qa'ida's explosives expert?

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What are you confused about?

Terry Nichols is recorded as having physical presence and electronic communications in the Philippines and alleged ties to members of AL Qaeda in the mid 90s.

Al Qaeda was on the CIA's radar after the 93 bombing and increasingly more violent acts of terrorism through the 90s. It changed obviously after the USS Cole and the Khobar Towers but come on now...


Its pretty cut and dry to me.

Mind you...this is Richard fukking Clarke.
breh im not confused about anything. but its a big country and city, just cause he happened to be there and had communications there doesnt mean he got assistance. of course its possible but unless theres hard evidence (which might be in his book) thats still a leap.
i studied and worked in journalism, and the fact that he had connections in that city isnt enough evidence to do any more than speculate on it. again if theres new evidence on the nature of his connections there, that changes the situation.
im also skeptical because if there was al-qaeda involvement i would expect they would want to claim it in some way or would have done so in the past, as the credibility of their organization was based on their ability to plan and carry out major attacks and oklahoma city was the biggest one of the 90s. it would be in their interests to claim it or to claim assisting it.
 

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breh im not confused about anything. but its a big country and city, just cause he happened to be there and had communications there doesnt mean he got assistance. of course its possible but unless theres hard evidence (which might be in his book) thats still a leap.
i studied and worked in journalism, and the fact that he had connections in that city isnt enough evidence to do any more than speculate on it. again if theres new evidence on the nature of his connections there, that changes the situation.
im also skeptical because if there was al-qaeda involvement i would expect they would want to claim it in some way or would have done so in the past, as the credibility of their organization was based on their ability to plan and carry out major attacks and oklahoma city was the biggest one of the 90s. it would be in their interests to claim it or to claim assisting it.
Do you know the history of terrorist organizations?

How they network?

How they overlap?

Instances of such?

How Carlos the Jackal was funded by the Soviets?

How the IRA was funded by the Soviets?

Do you really not understand how proxy acts take place? Do you think this is some conspiracy here?

The main bomb maker in a budding terrorist group was in the same place AND has DOZENS of phone calls to a hotspot of terrorist activities in a single location (wanna bet the NSA/CIA/FBI doesn't know exactly who talked to who?) in a country like the Philippines?

Go read The Looming Tower or watch the Miniseries.
 

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Do you know the history of terrorist organizations?

How they network?

How they overlap?

Instances of such?

How Carlos the Jackal was funded by the Soviets?

How the IRA was funded by the Soviets?

Do you really not understand how proxy acts take place? Do you think this is some conspiracy here?

The main bomb maker in a budding terrorist group was in the same place AND has DOZENS of phone calls to a hotspot of terrorist activities in a single location (wanna bet the NSA/CIA/FBI doesn't know exactly who talked to who?) in a country like the Philippines?

Go read The Looming Tower or watch the Miniseries.
ive read the looming tower. it has nothing to do with what i just said about the need for hard evidence to establish this connection. if they have that evidence i want to see it because im very interested in a connection between the most significant terrorist group of all time and the worst bombing on american soil in the 90s.
i dont think there is a conspiracy here. in fact youre the one promoting a conspiracy theory (again one that could be true) based on the fact that both parties had a presence in the same large city at the same time.
 

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ive read the looming tower. it has nothing to do with what i just said about the need for hard evidence to establish this connection. if they have that evidence i want to see it because im very interested in a connection between the most significant terrorist group of all time and the worst bombing on american soil in the 90s.
i dont think there is a conspiracy here. in fact youre the one promoting a conspiracy theory (again one that could be true) based on the fact that both parties had a presence in the same large city at the same time.
You CLEARLY did not.

The Philippine connection is there.

Why was he calling the SAME location the most profile terrorist cell in Asia was located 70+ times when his wife wasn't even in the area when he called?
 

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You CLEARLY did not.

The Philippine connection is there.

Why was he calling the SAME location the most profile terrorist cell in Asia was located 70+ times when his wife wasn't even in the area when he called?
:stopitslime: you acting like this phillipines connection is news to me
i aint know his personal life breh but its a city of 900,000 people. he couldve had business there, likely shyt to sort out after it aint work out with his mail order. terrorists have entire lives outside of terrorism. the IC might know of some more solid connection. you aint them tho.
anyway this isnt going anywhere. see you in the russia thread breh
 

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:stopitslime: you acting like this phillipines connection is news to me
i aint know his personal life breh but its a city of 900,000 people. he couldve had business there, likely shyt to sort out after it aint work out with his mail order. terrorists have entire lives outside of terrorism. the IC might know of some more solid connection. you aint them tho.
anyway this isnt going anywhere. see you in the russia thread breh
The NSA intercepted his calls.

End of story.
 

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is there a reason they wouldnt want to make the american public aware of a connection between him and al-qaeda? because i really want to know if that existed
This is why I asked if you read the Looming Tower. In the run up to 9/11, the CIA didn't want the FBI to get too close because the FBI had a tendency to blow operations before they reached high enough to knock things out completely.
 

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It's certainly possible and there are a lot of conspiracies surrounding the attack.

They both were in the military so I feel like it's a reach they would need help. They were also in deep with the militia movement and those bigots know their stuff. These weren't lone wolf guys or children.

:manny:
 

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This is why I asked if you read the Looming Tower. In the run up to 9/11, the CIA didn't want the FBI to get too close because the FBI had a tendency to blow operations before they reached high enough to knock things out completely.
yeah the cias reluctance to share their information with the fbi was critical. ali soufan heavily criticized the cia for it and argued it couldve been prevented with more cooperation. i was more speaking about in the post-9/11 environment
anyway i hope we get to see what was in those calls someday. if this is the case that would be a monumental story.
 

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It's certainly possible and there are a lot of conspiracies surrounding the attack.

They both were in the military so I feel like it's a reach they would need help. They were also in deep with the militia movement and those bigots know their stuff. These weren't lone wolf guys or children.

:manny:
people forget how hard bomb building is and its clear Nichols learned how to do this SOMEWHERE.

Plus, it literally was the same set up as the Nairobi and Dar Es Salaam bombings.
 
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