Did trap rap destroy hip hop

[Awesome Wells]

trap music, rap music, movies, and entertainment have no link at all to being terrible to communities.
Lets kill that noise. They said the same thing about rock music when it was black music, same thing about blues, and etc.
Any black music is terrible for blacks, according to whites, and a lot of times blacks seem to start parroting it.

YOu know whats bad for black communities, the war on drugs, a racist criminal justice system, terrible government policies that subsidize unproductiveness and "gaming the system", and shytty parents.

Powerful post. And a ton of truth in there too.

 

[L $ C]

trap music, rap music, movies, and entertainment have no link at all to being terrible to communities.
Lets kill that noise. They said the same thing about rock music when it was black music, same thing about blues, and etc.
Any black music is terrible for blacks, according to whites, and a lot of times blacks seem to start parroting it.

YOu know whats bad for black communities, the war on drugs, a racist criminal justice system, terrible government policies that subsidize unproductiveness and "gaming the system", and shytty parents.

honestly growing up i would've dapped this post kept it moving an agreed

and your final sentance is 100% fact


but as someone who works in the public schools, and has loved hip hop my whole life....today's rap music that kids listen to is..an awful influence...yes of course its parenting but honestly sitting around being raised by nothing but lil durk, future and rick ross has pretty horrible effects spec to kids that cant tell reality from fiction...and all im saying is if you're totally blind to that you're kidding yourself

music has been a huge influence factor since ancient times

 

[Sauce Dab]

Trap music is the easiest to mimic. You have pasty Australian females coming in, doing their best southern rapper impersonation and eating nicely off it. You can't get away with that on boom bap or g-funk.

Any random Joe blow who is a tad bit musically inclined and has a keyboard and a bootleg copy of fruity loops can make a trap beat in 20 minutes and then invite his homies over to spit mediocre verses/catchy hooks on it in his home studio.

When everyone has access to it and it can be easily duplicated, the quality producers/artists suffer. Why pay Organized Noize or Mannie Fresh $50,000 for a beat when you can get an imitation knock off from a local producer for $5,000?

$5,000? Beats ain't selling like that no more. Haven't you seen all these producers complaining?

 

[L $ C]

Powerful post. And a ton of truth in there too.

media and entertainment do have a HUGE influence on the public and youth though...thats fact

 

[Awesome Wells]

media and entertainment do have a HUGE influence on the public and youth though...thats fact

Youth period. Not just black youth.

The post I quoted was speaking specifically about black communities, and what's historically hurt them.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Hip-hop can't die. It can only become oversaturated until something 'new' is born.

This has happened a few times since it's inception so there's no need to be alarmed.

It'll pass. It has before. It won't all sound the same for much longer.​

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

it has everything to do with destroying lyrical content, breh./
as the jiggy culture thief are the exact reason we are where we are now, and we won't recover.

the problem is the mecca has no one with any balls to say what needs to be said about the mecca and allowing this to happen.
as everyone except the protectors of the culture in the mecca said sumfin but when you have krs not paying attention and not trying to take criticism in full for empowering puff this is also what you get as well.
coupled with the fact krs had skill conversion issues as did all of rap when the jiggy sonic landscape change was ushered in.
so our protector was limited and also in a state of adjustment that took like a good decade i wanna say to recover skillwise to the sonic landscape change.

the return of jiggy old school dj hollywood meets mca model ol school sellout template based work.
ruined rap and moved it right back into the fad region they said rap would be.
if not for the hardcore bboy revolution.

art barr

when you say mecca you mean ny correct?

 

[Art Barr]

lota truth here


just from a simple sense, trap music i dont think ruined hip hop but its redefined it almost to a point hip hop doesnt really exist as it did

The south really take undue critique.
Simply for the fact the south always had cultural issue from the fake 808 ripoff of big mike back in the day.
All the way to even shy d and luke.
If the mecca was never compromised we would never be in this situation.
The problem is nikkaz who were supposed to be about the culture and mecca were really toys, waiting to sellout.
Especially most of native excluding dela, but even then.
you had badu dissing all of native, too including dela.
So, in the end the realest out of the native collection is an rnb chick from texas.
When all the cultural guys from the native could not wait to sellout and try to justify it cause they were to weak to really fight.
Example, tip let dig able steal his entire shyt.
Instead of dissing them nikkaz and belly ache'n till he got his chance to sellout.
Common dissed dmx post pac.

Yet, now you doing all the movies and copying worse than dmx.
then came back on some Neptune's club Bambaataa bullshyt and also was on that new black shyt and let feSt write for HIM.
, like he was totally removed from the cultural guy who dissed ye for selling out on hpk in 96.

Talib talked that rawkus shyt and dissing jiggy shyt as soon as jay came calling,..sell out.
Roots,...what they do,...soon as the main culture thief comes calling you backing him up.

The problem is the east coast mecca associated cats who supposed to be protectors all some sellout ho nikkaz,.....
That a nikka like me let at the gate defending the holy grail Completely alone.

ART BARR

 

[Art Barr]

when you say mecca you mean ny correct?

Yeah,....

Hip-hop can't die. It can only become oversaturated until something 'new' is born.

This has happened a few times since it's inception so there's no need to be alarmed.

It'll pass. It has before. It won't all sound the same for much longer.​

Not true,.. if there was no krs the birthplace of the actual culture would have been lost to the popular radio dj and his upstart spewing false narrative about the culture.
If not for krs rap would have died after ll the boy king was done on bigger and deffer.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

honestly growing up i would've dapped this post kept it moving an agreed

and your final sentance is 100% fact


but as someone who works in the public schools, and has loved hip hop my whole life....today's rap music that kids listen to is..an awful influence...yes of course its parenting but honestly sitting around being raised by nothing but lil durk, future and rick ross has pretty horrible effects spec to kids that cant tell reality from fiction...and all im saying is if you're totally blind to that you're kidding yourself

music has been a huge influence factor since ancient times

Agreed, in April of 93, is when the industry finally learned how to influence black youth via prison industrial complex marketed rap and the rest is history.

Art Barr

 

[David_TheMan]

honestly growing up i would've dapped this post kept it moving an agreed

and your final sentance is 100% fact


but as someone who works in the public schools, and has loved hip hop my whole life....today's rap music that kids listen to is..an awful influence...yes of course its parenting but honestly sitting around being raised by nothing but lil durk, future and rick ross has pretty horrible effects spec to kids that cant tell reality from fiction...and all im saying is if you're totally blind to that you're kidding yourself

music has been a huge influence factor since ancient times

Sorry but I'm old enough to have heard the same non-sense when I was a child and seen the same nonsense played out a generation under me. Its just that nonsense.

Replace rap music, and it was tv when you and I were kids.
Real facts, youth violent crime, black youth violent crime, black youth unmarried pregnancy, black total crime all down and trending down.

There is literally no actual evidence to support what you are trying to support and it simply is a common refrain from older people to complain about the interests of the youth of the day.

 

[L $ C]

Sorry but I'm old enough to have heard the same non-sense when I was a child and seen the same nonsense played out a generation under me. Its just that nonsense.

Replace rap music, and it was tv when you and I were kids.
Real facts, youth violent crime, black youth violent crime, black youth unmarried pregnancy, black total crime all down and trending down.

There is literally no actual evidence to support what you are trying to support and it simply is a common refrain from older people to complain about the interests of the youth of the day.

lol this post ....

u rly dont belieive this bullshyt do u? hip hop changed in the early 90s n was never the same ....they put that shyt there for u to help destroy the black youth..look at Barr's post...

it not really hard to figure out look around at artists

 

[L $ C]

Agreed, in April of 93, is when the industry finally learned how to influence black youth via prison industrial complex marketed rap and the rest is history.

Art Barr

this


close thread/

 

[David_TheMan]

lol this post ....

u rly dont belieive this bullshyt do u? hip hop changed in the early 90s n was never the same ....they put that shyt there for u to help destroy the black youth..look at Barr's post...

it not really hard to figure out look around at artists

They didn't do shyt to hip hop in the early 90s that people didn't literally say about blues, R&B, and rock (when it was black) earlier.
Barr's post means nothing, because statistically 80s - 2010s black youth crime, pregnancy, and drug usage rates have declined overall (excluding weed)

You are mentally old and tired.
What you are saying is no different from anything older people have said for centuries about the "youth".

 

[L $ C]

They didn't do shyt to hip hop in the early 90s that people didn't literally say about blues, R&B, and rock (when it was black) earlier.
Barr's post means nothing, because statistically 80s - 2010s black youth crime, pregnancy, and drug usage rates have declined overall (excluding weed)

You are mentally old and tired.
What you are saying is no different from anything older people have said for centuries about the "youth".

ok, work in a school and see how u feel...rates can drop because of other things you know.....but believe what u want

n lol @ that quote...jazz n music like that wasnt rapping bout killing people n a lifestyle all the time.