Didn't kno Timbo samples a lot

[Smile Gang]

So many people in this thread have no clue what the fukk they're talking about... The entire sound of hiphop is built off sampling you dumbfukks.. flipping samples is an artform within itself.. Anyone with a true ear for music would know that Timbs drums are what stands out in his beats the samples just make it more epic.. Criticizing one for not giving credit is one thing, but to discredit one for attempting to use sampes is insanely stupid

Said off the break Tim is "The Cool Drum Dude"

Now getting criticism for not having a true ear for music because I don't know that Tims drums are what stand out in his beats.

 

[spliz]

Not getting shytted on though... Simply dealing with several butt-hurt people who don't want to admit that what their favorite producers do (or more likely what they do themselves) is talentless theft of intellectual property.

You're actually quite mad because you sir, are being shytted on.

Nah. Im not. Im actually laughing at how unbelievably stupid u nikkas been soundin the last couple days...shyt is actually hilarious to me...

 

[Smile Gang]

All sampled shyt before...and that list is terrible outside Mike Will..lol..and this shows u wasnt in diapers in 83...more like 93..

Southside and Luger make their own shyt the vast majority of the time.

Watching Shawty Redd come up with an original music composition >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching 9th Wonder press buttons to a metronome triggering snippets of other people's pre-recorded music

 

[RTF]

For me, being a producer is all about the "ear" and vision. You don't need to play instruments imo.

Just look at the work of co-producers from legendary producers. Let's use Timbaland (Danjahandz), Dr. Dre (Storch) & Kanye (Jeff Basker).

None of the best solo beats by the co-producers match the top work they've done with the other names. Why? Because they have less talent as PRODUCERS. Yes, they're more SKILLED MUSICIANS but better producers? nope. Are they more creative? Nope.

Peep this video? Who is the key producer here? Kanye's telling Bhasker what to do here, would you give Bhasker more props?



Personally, I love a mix of live instruments and samples/interpolations. I like the sound of live bass more for example.

I give Storch the props for having the musical chops to come up with the Still DRE riff. But has he cooked a better BEAT himself? Has he even created a better melody from his own beats? Not really. Dre knew where the magic was, got Elizondo to play the bass, another dude to add some keyboards, added an A SAMPLE & put drums on the beat. THAT'S PRODUCTION. He was the genius behind that record.


It's not about what is done. It's about what is done best. Now I agree, taking an Isley's hit from the 70's and creating a good beat is easy work but that doesn't really happen anymore.


Pretty much every single legendary hip-hop producer who has had big budgets has been able to produce excellent records sample-free when with studio musicians. It's no biggie. Look at Timb, One In a Million has no sample.

 

[spliz]

Southside and Luger make their own shyt the vast majority of the time.

Watching Shawty Redd come up with an original music composition >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching 9th Wonder press buttons to a metronome triggering snippets of other people's pre-recorded music

This right here shows u dont know the own producers u like's catalog..same way u didnt know Timbaland sampled...same way u didnt know about the Scarface track...etc...u dont know wtf u talkin bout and its completely hilarious...shyt .u coulda atleast picked Ryan Leslie or some shyt..atleast that nikka plays multiple real instruments..lol...u shyttin on samplers to big up software based producers WHO SAMPLE TOO(not that theres anything wrong with software)..and its hilarious...

 

[Smile Gang]

For me, being a producer is all about the "ear" and vision. You don't need to play instruments imo.

Just look at the work of co-producers from legendary producers. Let's use Timbaland (Danjahandz), Dr. Dre (Storch) & Kanye (Jeff Basker).

None of the best solo beats by the co-producers match the top work they've done with the other names. Why? Because they have less talent as PRODUCERS. Yes, they're more SKILLED MUSICIANS but better producers? nope. Are they more creative? Nope.

Peep this video? Who is the key producer here? Kanye's telling Bhasker what to do here, would you give Bhasker more props?

CREATING BIG SCREEN WITH GLC & KANYE WEST - YouTube

Personally, I love a mix of live instruments and samples/interpolations. I like the sound of live bass more for example.

I give Storch the props for having the musical chops to come up with the Still DRE riff. But has he cooked a better BEAT himself? Has he even created a better melody from his own beats? Not really. Dre knew where the magic was, got Elizondo to play the bass, another dude to add some keyboards, added an A SAMPLE & put drums on the beat. THAT'S PRODUCTION. He was the genius behind that record.


It's not about what is done. It's about what is done best. Now I agree, taking an Isley's hit from the 70's and creating a good beat is easy work but that doesn't really happen anymore.


Pretty much every single legendary hip-hop producer who has had big budgets has been able to produce excellent records sample-free when with studio musicians. It's no biggie. Look at Timb, One In a Million has no sample.

Nah, I understand completely where you're coming from. There is a lot more to production than just "beat making." In this thread we're actually talking more about beat making... I said a couple of things earlier in the thread that touch on this:

"Dudes can be legendary producers because like I said earlier there's much more that goes into producing a song than just creating the initial 4/8/16 bar loop and tracking it out/arranging it into verses, hooks, bridges etc. There is a lot more than that and I acknowledge it. But, if the meat and bones of your song is The Delfonics or some bollywood composer then you don't get full credit for your assignment from me."

With regard to people like Storch who are essentially "Piano Men" that other producers keep around I kind of touched on that too:

"Some people are instrumental performers. If you're a session musician and the producer is telling you "Yo give me B# and I want it to go bummm bummm bumm bummmm" and you do it, that's not stealing, that's fulfilling an artist for hire contract. However, playing a guitar, if somebody else wrote the **** you're playing is still a musical endeavor. If you are playing at someone else's direction technically it's not your music. But what you're doing is still playing music. Pressing buttons on an MPC that controls already composed music assigned to the pads, and chopping, editing samples and all that so that they fit a time structure or fit right with the BPM, is really more of a programming endeavor."

I get the whole role of guys like Kanye and Dre etc. who have whole teams that put together the song. What I'm talking about primarily as what I don't fool with is what you mentioned yourself: "taking an Isley's hit from the 70's and creating a good beat"

I don't fool with that when the product is seemingly primarily the intellectual work product of the initial musician rather than the sample producer who slapped a new drum beat behind it and a couple of simple synth leads on top.

 

[Smile Gang]

This right here shows u dont know the own producers u like's catalog..same way u didnt know Timbaland sampled...same way u didnt know about the Scarface track...etc...u dont know wtf u talkin bout and its completely hilarious...shyt .u coulda atleast picked Ryan Leslie or some shyt..atleast that nikka plays multiple real instruments..lol...u shyttin on samplers to big up software based producers WHO SAMPLE TOO(not that theres anything wrong with software)..and its hilarious...

Like I said over and over I don't see anything wrong with software instruments. If it's not a loop, and they are playing the shyt out, that is an original composition to me. That is 1,000x more creative than pressing a pad that triggers the god damn O.J.'s.

I also said earlier Mike Will might have sampled a few times... maybe 5% of his shyt includes a sample. Compare that to 85% of Timbaland's shyt. It's not the same.

And you keep bringing up not knowing the origin of a semi-obscure non hip-hop song in 1983 as if it means something LMAO

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Man everyone sampled in the 90's. ESPECIALLY the people that said they didn't.

 

[spliz]

Like I said over and over I don't see anything wrong with software instruments. If it's not a loop, and they are playing the shyt out, that is an original composition to me. That is 1,000x more creative than pressing a pad that triggers the god damn O.J.'s.

I also said earlier Mike Will might have sampled a few times... maybe 5% of his shyt includes a sample. Compare that to 85% of Timbaland's shyt. It's not the same.

And you keep bringing up not knowing the origin of a semi-obscure non hip-hop song in 1983 as if it means something LMAO

85% of Tim's shyt aint samples...fukk u get that figure from?..this video?...and some people feel software production fukkin sucks and takes no talent...I actually had an argument about that with someone on this board who was just as stubborn about that as u are about this samplin shyt...see how easy it is to discredit someones shyt just cause YOU dont understand it or feel it?...and theres A LOT more people who feel that way about software instruments and beat making than hardware and sampling...

 

[Black_Jesus]

Sampling is the foundation of hiphop... Remember that

 

[Smile Gang]

85% of Tim's shyt aint samples...fukk u get that figure from?..this video?...and some people feel software production fukkin sucks and takes no talent...I actually had an argument about that with someone on this board who was just as stubborn as u...see how easy it is to discredit someones shyt just cause YOU dont understand it or feel it?...

85% might be high. Watching this video, I felt like I saw the vast majority of his big records in it. If the number was 70% it's still essentially the same.

With regard to that other shyt and "those people's" opinions about software production, the difference is, those people's opinion doesn't matter to me. Just like your opinion that sampling isn't theft and corny doesn't matter to me. That's what makes us different. I know I'm right and it's a great feeling.

If the next man wants to have an ill-informed and incorrect opinion it doesn't ruffle my feather's one way or another.

I'm not the one who has to defend theft or artificial talent/inauthentic music. My position is a lot easier on the soul.

 

[spliz]

Sampling is the foundation of hiphop... Remember that

This is what I been tryna tell these nikkas...how u gonna shyt on that and then turn around and say u respect hip hop...all while saying that is why hip hop isnt respected as an artform...no nikka..YOU dont respect it as an artform...thats the truth of it...

 

[Smile Gang]

This is what I been tryna tell these nikkas...how u gonna shyt on that and then turn around and say u respect hip hop...all while saying that is why hip hop isnt respected as an artform...no nikka..YOU dont respect it as an artform...thats the truth of it...

Nah I respect hip hop as an art form. As a child kids use coloring books with the lines already drawn for them. As you grow up you learn to draw and you make those lines on your own. Those of us who are hip-hop purists such as myself want to see pure art coming from these "creative" people in the game. Stop coloring inside the next man's lines and create your own picture. Who respects the art form more? The one who lets the fake chit slide? Or the one who seeks accountability and authenticity? Come on son.

 

[spliz]

Nah I respect hip hop as an art form. As a child kids use coloring books with the lines already drawn for them. As you grow up you learn to draw and you make those lines on your own. Those of us who are hip-hop purists such as myself want to see pure art coming from these "creative" people in the game. Stop coloring inside the next man's lines and create your own picture. Who respects the art form more? The one who lets the fake chit slide? Or the one who seeks accountability and authenticity? Come on son.

Now u callin urself a hip hop purist?..oh shyt...u gotta be the funniest nikka on the forum g...lol..and great...another shytty analogy...

 

[Smile Gang]

Now u callin urself a hip hop purist?..oh shyt...u gotta be the funniest nikka on the forum g...lol..and great...another shytty analogy...