Didn't kno Timbo samples a lot

[spliz]

I never said I don't appreciate all hip-hop.

I don't appreciate the fakers in the sample game.

Sampling isn't a "BIG" part of what every producer does.

That's like saying: Taking HGH is a BIG part of baseball. Why the fukk does nikkas who don't respect players taking HGH even fukk wit baseball in the first place. If you can't appreciate HGH than how could u appreciate baseball."

...sampling IS a big part of production game in hip hop...why the fukk u think the main hardware and software u get for hip hop is big on sampling?...such as MIDI controllers and MPC's n such...do u know anything about this shyt AT ALL?..u speakin out ya ass right now..name 10 classic hip hop tracks of all time and I bet 98% of em contain samples...and can u stop wit the trash analogies?..son how old are u?..lol

 

[Smile Gang]

yo there was some dudes he sampled from belgium that one track from nelly fertudo

whats messed up with timb is that dude doesn't credit his samples, there is also a smug air about him in every picture that I just don't like.

Right... Timbaland wanna run to Tanzania and the Phillipines and shyt and steal music and then act like the shyt is his.

"Yo Yo new Timbaland!!!"

Stop it, that's not new Timbaland. That's old Belgian shyt.

 

[Scotch Hall]

Right... Timbaland wanna run to Tanzania and the Phillipines and shyt and steal music and then act like the shyt is his.

"Yo Yo new Timbaland!!!"

Stop it, that's not new Timbaland. That's old Belgian shyt.

k

edit: wait what?

 

[Smile Gang]

...sampling IS a big part of production game in hip hop...why the fukk u think the main hardware and software u get for hip hop is big on sampling?...such as MIDI controllers and MPC's n such...do u know anything about this shyt AT ALL?..u speakin out ya ass right now..name 10 classic hip hop tracks of all time and I bet 98% of em contain samples...and can u stop wit the trash analogies?..son how old are u?..lol

I've already mentioned MPC's, ASR's, Logic Pro, etc. Should be very clear to anyone with any sort of production experience that I'm familiar with both hardware and software.

While hardware/software exists for sampling, it also exists for the actual creation of new music via patches and virtual instruments in Logic for example.

Songs I think have classic beats might include samples unbeknownst to me. That doesn't make the argument that sampling is okay. That just means somebody slipped one in on me.

That's like saying "Yo, Ricky got the dopest chain" at a point where you don't know that all the stones in that chain are fake. Once you find out it's fugazi you'll look at that same chain like

Of course if I name a beat that I think is a real beat, but then find out the stones are fake, I'm not going to fukk with the beat anymore. Same way I thought Big Pimpin was legit beast production before I found out by watching the video that Timbo stole that shyt.

As for beast production that's not stolen... Scarface ft. Tupac "Smile" is that stolen production? I hope not....

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Vk0EL-r8g"]Tupac & Scarface - Smile - YouTube[/ame]


- Smile Gang

 

[Tom Foolery]

You said it yourself "music producers" who are not "musicians."

Orchestra conductors don't call themselves violin players. They call themselves conductors. They give credit and that's legit as you said.

However, some of these "music producers" are really just "Drum and Baby Cry over Looped Melody Artists" then they should call themselves "Drum and Baby Cry over Looped Melody Artists" and stop calling themselves "music producers. They also rarely give credit. They try to steal shyt from France and Iran and hope nobody notices.

That's completely different.

Music producers are not claiming to be musician just like conductors. Music producers produce an in the end result which is a song. If it's a "Drum and Baby Cry over Looped Melody" and people like it, What's the problem. The producer took multiple element and created an end result.

And the rarely give credit comment is false. All samples have to be cleared or the lawsuit you face will not be pretty. There are many examples of foreigners that have sued for not clearing the sample. This is not 1986.

 

[Smile Gang]

Music producers produce an in the end result which is a song. If it's a "Drum and Baby Cry over Looped Melody" and people like it, What's the problem. The producer took multiple element and created an end result.

And the rarely give credit comment is false. All samples have to be cleared or the lawsuit you face will not be pretty. There are many examples of foreigners that have sued for not clearing the sample. This is not 1986.

The problem to me is that it's a short-cut and it's not true innovation. Is it so far-fetched to think that some people might appreciate true innovators over those who take short-cuts, regardless of if credit is given to the original artist. Not giving credit only makes you a super snake. That doesn't mean merely giving credit remedies the in-authenticity.

To me paying for a sample to get cleared is like paying for p*ssy. If you can get some on your own why would you pay for it? If you can make quality music for the culture on your own, why are you going to pay Carolyn Franklin's people for her music? Just make yours.

I respect artists who make new and original contributions to the culture over those who simply snatch from Bobby Womack, Denise LaSalle and whoever else.

 

[spliz]

I've already mentioned MPC's, ASR's, Logic Pro, etc. Should be very clear to anyone with any sort of production experience that I'm familiar with both hardware and software.

While hardware/software exists for sampling, it also exists for the actual creation of new music via patches and virtual instruments in Logic for example.

Songs I think have classic beats might include samples unbeknownst to me. That doesn't make the argument that sampling is okay. That just means somebody slipped one in on me.

That's like saying "Yo, Ricky got the dopest chain" at a point where you don't know that all the stones in that chain are fake. Once you find out it's fugazi you'll look at that same chain like

Of course if I name a beat that I think is a real beat, but then find out the stones are fake, I'm not going to fukk with the beat anymore. Same way I thought Big Pimpin was legit beast production before I found out by watching the video that Timbo stole that shyt.

As for beast production that's not stolen... Scarface ft. Tupac "Smile" is that stolen production? I hope not....

Tupac & Scarface - Smile - YouTube


- Smile Gang

That song samples the S.O.S Band....smart nikka...try again...

 

[Smile Gang]

That song samples the S.O.S Band....smart nikka...try again...

Damn

Still doesn't change the original point. I prefer genuine authentic music.

I don't see how it's okay for people to say: "I listen to Rick Ross's gangsta rap and enjoy it but I take it with a grain of salt because I know he was a C.O."

But it's not okay for someone to say: "I listen to Big Pimpin and enjoy it but I take it with a grain of salt because I know Timbaland didn't write that melody."

It's okay to criticize inauthentic lyrics, but not okay to criticize inauthentic production? That double standard makes no sense.

 

[Interloper]

@Smile Gang

Scarface feat. 2Pac and Johnny P's Smile sample of The S.O.S. Band's Tell Me if You Still Care | WhoSampled

Look through the site, breh. You're bound to find more if you didn't realize that song was sampled.

 

[Smile Gang]

@Smile Gang

Scarface feat. 2Pac and Johnny P's Smile sample of The S.O.S. Band's Tell Me if You Still Care | WhoSampled

Look through the site, breh. You're bound to find more if you didn't realize that song was sampled.

I'm on it now and my face is













Thanks for the link breh
No words for this shyt right now... You search certain people they're 500 samples deep in the game and chit.

 

[spliz]

I'm on it now and my face is













Thanks for the link breh
No words for this shyt right now... You search certain people they're 500 samples deep in the game and chit.

Now u know..now u can get over it my g...how can someone who is a grown man who been into hip hop his whole life not understand this?..u still aint tell me ya age g...

 

[Smile Gang]

Now u know..now u can get over it my g...how can someone who is a grown man who been into hip hop his whole life not understand this?..u still aint tell me ya age g...

I already stated that I understood sampling to be a major part (crutch) of hip-hop especially early hip-hop. I'm 30. I didn't grow up listening to Minnie Riperton and shyt to be able to recognize every piece of borrowed music that 50 year old producers like DJ Premier were sampling.

I also understand sampling is not a major part of every hip-hop producer's repertoire. Look at Mike Will's discography and then look at how many times he sampled shyt. (Just for one example.) 85% of homeboy's music is his music. Timbaland has his name on some hits but only 5% of that shyt was really Timbaland. I know who I respect more.

 

[Tom Foolery]

The problem to me is that it's a short-cut and it's not true innovation. Is it so far-fetched to think that some people might appreciate true innovators over those who take short-cuts, regardless of if credit is given to the original artist. Not giving credit only makes you a super snake. That doesn't mean merely giving credit remedies the in-authenticity.

To me paying for a sample to get cleared is like paying for p*ssy. If you can get some on your own why would you pay for it? If you can make quality music for the culture on your own, why are you going to pay Carolyn Franklin's people for her music? Just make yours.

I respect artists who make new and original contributions to the culture over those who simply snatch from Bobby Womack, Denise LaSalle and whoever else.

Nothing is wrong for liking musicians. But how are you going to discredit Tims drums, chopping, timing and other elements he puts into a finished track. There is so much work put into the finished product, probably even more than the original work.

 

[Smile Gang]

Nothing is wrong for liking musicians. But how are you going to discredit Tims drums, chopping, timing and other elements he puts into a finished track. There is so much work put into the finished product, probably even more than the original work.

I came right out the gate after watching the video and said "Damn, so Timbaland is really just the "cool drums guy"

I give him full credit for his drums. I also acknowledge that his drums are more innovative and distinct than most. Finding out he stole the melodies doesn't take away from his drums, it just means he's not who I thought he was.

Also, I have said multiple times I appreciate that sampling is a craft. (chopping etc.)

But I also said that doping and cycling steroids is also a craft. Lance Armstrong was the GOAT doper. I prefer dudes who can actually just compete in the bike race without all the extra shyt.

Finally, if you're going to put all that work into using someone else's product and it's so much easier to come up with your own product... why not just do that then?

The answer more times than not is probably that they can't. If the producer could make hits without samples they would have hits that don't include samples. Is he sitting around doing all that sample manipulating for fun? Does he enjoy paying clearance fees to both the owner of the master and the owner of the song's publishing? I doubt anyone's that masochistic.

Which leads me to the conclusion that if 80% of your hits include samples I think it's safe to assume you can't make hot chit on your own.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

@Smile Gang

Scarface feat. 2Pac and Johnny P's Smile sample of The S.O.S. Band's Tell Me if You Still Care | WhoSampled

Look through the site, breh. You're bound to find more if you didn't realize that song was sampled.

could be wrong but i think they also credit interpolations as samples,meaning redoing a hook,etc,though the BEAT might not be a sample at all