Didn't kno Timbo samples a lot

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Damn :to:

Still doesn't change the original point. I prefer genuine authentic music.

I don't see how it's okay for people to say: "I listen to Rick Ross's gangsta rap and enjoy it but I take it with a grain of salt because I know he was a C.O."

But it's not okay for someone to say: "I listen to Big Pimpin and enjoy it but I take it with a grain of salt because I know Timbaland didn't write that melody."

It's okay to criticize inauthentic lyrics, but not okay to criticize inauthentic production? That double standard makes no sense.

ok so all those guitar players in other genres & all those sessions musicians that didn't actually write what they play, they are just as lazy or untalented as the sample based producers then right?
 

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ok so all those guitar players in other genres & all those sessions musicians that didn't actually write what they play, they are just as lazy or untalented as the sample based producers then right?
awful awful analogy. A guitar player and a producer are not taking credit for the same thing.
 

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ok so all those guitar players in other genres & all those sessions musicians that didn't actually write what they play, they are just as lazy or untalented as the sample based producers then right?

I will say this.

If they didn't write what they are playing, that doesn't make them lazy or untalented. It just makes them not the composer of the music. Not everybody is a writer. Some people are instrumental performers. If you're a session musician and the producer is telling you "Yo give me B# and I want it to go bummm bummm bumm bummmm" and you do it, that's not stealing, that's fulfilling an artist for hire contract.

Now, if that person goes around saying, "Yo, I wrote Stairway to Heaven." Instead of saying, "Yo, I played that guitar piece on Stairway to Heaven" then yes, they would be a fraud for trying to take credit for something they didn't do.

However, playing a guitar, if somebody else wrote the shyt you're playing is still a musical endeavor. It's not your music. But what you're doing is still playing music.

Pressing buttons on an MPC that controls already composed music assigned to the pads, and chopping, editing samples and all that so that they fit a time structure or fit right with the BPM, is really more of a programming endeavor.

There's nothing wrong with being just a session guitar player or being an MPC Sample King. Just like there's no problem with being a C.O. The problem is when that session player starts to call himself the song-writer, that C.O. starts to call himself a drug kingpin, or that MPC Sample King starts acting like he is responsible for a song with a lifted melody.

When really, the public at large is eating up that song because of the lifted melody that dominates the track, not the kick/snare and crying baby that were added to the loop.
 

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I will say this.

If they didn't write what they are playing, that doesn't make them lazy or untalented. It just makes them not the composer of the music. Not everybody is a writer. Some people are instrumental performers. If you're a session musician and the producer is telling you "Yo give me B# and I want it to go bummm bummm bumm bummmm" and you do it, that's not stealing, that's fulfilling an artist for hire contract.

Now, if that person goes around saying, "Yo, I wrote Stairway to Heaven." Instead of saying, "Yo, I played that guitar piece on Stairway to Heaven" then yes, they would be a fraud for trying to take credit for something they didn't do.

However, playing a guitar, if somebody else wrote the shyt you're playing is still a musical endeavor. It's not your music. But what you're doing is still playing music.

Pressing buttons on an MPC that controls already composed music assigned to the pads, and chopping, editing samples and all that so that they fit a time structure or fit right with the BPM, is really more of a programming endeavor.

There's nothing wrong with being just a session guitar player or being an MPC Sample King. Just like there's no problem with being a C.O. The problem is when that session player starts to call himself the song-writer, that C.O. starts to call himself a drug kingpin, or that MPC Sample King starts acting like he is responsible for a song with a lifted melody.

When really, the public at large is eating up that song because of the lifted melody that dominates the track, not the kick/snare and crying baby that were added to the loop.
cosign whole post but the bolded in particular.
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Appreciate that brother...

Been doing this like 7 on 1 for hours :fight:


:yeshrug:

I've been making beats (more as a hobby) for a dozen years and i started with a 16 track keyboard,with floppy disk. got probaly 400 beats less than 5 % are remakes/interpolations. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay EDIT (HARDER) to make something hot from scratch.
 

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I've been making beats (more as a hobby) for a dozen years and i started with a 16 track keyboard,with floppy disk. got probaly 400 beats less than 5 % are remakes/interpolations. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay hotter to make something hot from scratch.

Agreed. Just like it feels better to wear real Jordans.
 

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u actin like all u do is add some drums n shyt..and that's DEF not the case especially for someone who's nice like tim cause he does FAR more than that.


not always, as Timbaland has on occasion straight up looped + added drums and bass.

See the whole controversy over acid jazzed evening which he lifted without crediting a few years ago for Nelly Furtado:



my nikka i've been bumping strange ass music...I make beats my G

my girl be in the crib giving me this look when she hear the shyt I bump:wtf:


My roomates give me this shyt too

always bumping random ass foreign music

Ive been trying to dig thru British/German/French Funk, Jazz and Soul. Find crazy shyt like this (actually Polish scat Jazz):

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0AbDHcg-ps"]- Jerzy milians "Astrobolid" - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://soundcloud.com/willink/sounds-and-stuff"]Sounds and Stuff by Willink on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free[/ame]
 
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I will say this.

If they didn't write what they are playing, that doesn't make them lazy or untalented. It just makes them not the composer of the music. Not everybody is a writer. Some people are instrumental performers. If you're a session musician and the producer is telling you "Yo give me B# and I want it to go bummm bummm bumm bummmm" and you do it, that's not stealing, that's fulfilling an artist for hire contract.

Now, if that person goes around saying, "Yo, I wrote Stairway to Heaven." Instead of saying, "Yo, I played that guitar piece on Stairway to Heaven" then yes, they would be a fraud for trying to take credit for something they didn't do.

However, playing a guitar, if somebody else wrote the shyt you're playing is still a musical endeavor. It's not your music. But what you're doing is still playing music.

Pressing buttons on an MPC that controls already composed music assigned to the pads, and chopping, editing samples and all that so that they fit a time structure or fit right with the BPM, is really more of a programming endeavor.

There's nothing wrong with being just a session guitar player or being an MPC Sample King. Just like there's no problem with being a C.O. The problem is when that session player starts to call himself the song-writer, that C.O. starts to call himself a drug kingpin, or that MPC Sample King starts acting like he is responsible for a song with a lifted melody.

When really, the public at large is eating up that song because of the lifted melody that dominates the track, not the kick/snare and crying baby that were added to the loop.
have you even heard the way someone like Premo flips the majority of his samples? he comes up with a melody in his head first THEN goes searching for the record that he can use to make that happen.
 

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have you even heard the way someone like Premo flips the majority of his samples? he comes up with a melody in his head first THEN goes searching for the record that he can use to make that happen.

I'll be honest because I feel that's important. I'm not a big fan of Premo's production and have never much gotten into it.

That being said, if he comes up with the melody first, why does he need the samples unless he feels like something is missing to complete the track? Maybe he could make a song pop without samples, but we'll never know because he does add in the samples.

Like say Johnny is a good Spanish student and he could do well on a Spanish test on his own. Once he goes and grabs Sarah's paper and checks out her answers it's hard to go back and say what he could have done, we can only go off what he did in fact do which is supplement his work with the work of others.

That's what sampling is, supplementing one's work with the work of others.

If one's work is strong enough on its own merits why do that? A person who is truly confident in their craft wouldn't even want to allow anyone else to represent them.

Could you imagine Kobe asking someone else to take a couple of his shots for him? Nah, Kobe feels like he's the best he wants to shoot all his shots himself if his name is going to be in the paper and the game is on the line.

But maybe Premo could produce without all the samples. I wouldn't know. I do know when I went to that sample site dude had almost 2000 samples lifted to his name.
 

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not always, as Timbaland has on occasion straight up looped + added drums and bass.

See the whole controversy over acid jazzed evening which he lifted without crediting a few years ago for Nelly Furtado:

Timbaland and Nelly Furtado: Plagiarists - YouTube


See this shyt here is just :pacspit:

And to think I was supporting him and Missy when they were on The Breakfast Club talking all that shyt about current artists.
 

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your analogies still don't make any sense

i have heard that this was completely replayed, there is a sample listed on whosampled but i think it's an interpolation. in your rules this song is ok
 
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