Dirk is better than Charles Barkley, KG and Malone

[Broke Wave]

nah

dirk had one bad game the entire playoffs? he had 3 games in the finals alone where he shot under 40%...... what's a bad game?

hakeem didn't avoid the best player in the world, jordan avoided hakeem. michael "i'm so arrogant that i stayed out all night gambling the night before games and i boldly paraded white women around the town in the plain sight with zero discretion even though i was married" jordan said that he never wanted to face the rockets in the playoffs because hakeem would have made their defense implode

hakeem 93-94: 29 points, 11 boards, 4 assists, 4 blocks, 2 steals per game
hakeem 94-95: 33 points, 10 boards, 4.5 assists, 3 blocks
dirk: 28 points, 8 boards, 2.5 assists, .6 steals, .6 blocks

93-94 hakeem went against drexler, then stockton and malone, then barkley, then ewing

94-95 he shytted on david robinson, beat the highly favored shaq led magic, beat stockton/malone and beat barkley

during these 2 runs hakeem went against 3 first ballot hall of fame centers while dirk played average ass defense in a zone. how on earth did he have a better run than hakeem?

wait, are you saying you didn't see the rockets run?

@Walt, you made some great points and you sound eloquent as usual, but youre od'ing with the kg hate. his defense is the reason lebron shot 35% and why kobe looked like shyt

i mean look at the difference in the celtics defense when old ass kg was off the floor last year in the playoffs. if anything the importance of garnetts defense has been understated.

I didn't see this run I'm talking about the best individual run I've ever seen.

I don't even bother to look at stats when it comes to games in the Finals because I'm pretty sure dirk had a bad shooting day in game 2 but he literally willed his team to win at the end.

The finals wasn't his best shooting consistently but he really came up when it mattered.

Again I haven't seen Hakeem except for outside the mosque in 01 but I'm not doubting that his run was spectacular, I just can't confirm or deny whether it was greater or not

 

[Walt]

So keep knocking him because his teammates were better. That's fair. He's worse because circumstances around him we're better. Right.

Jesus fukking Christ, would you stop repeating these made up completely stupid fukking misinterpretations of what I'm saying? You can't be this willfully dense.

I am not "knocking KG" for his teammates. I'm contextualizing the irrefutable fact that what Dirk did was carry an inferior (by typical championship measure) supporting cast to a title, and what KG did was join other Hall of Fame players and help take them over the top. The two are completely different things, I can't fathom how this is hard to grasp. Just as calling KG a more complete player is possible while still calling Dirk an easier player to build a contender around.

And the 41% "he wasn't the best player on his team" meme is so fukking brain-dead as a point it's painful to read. It reeks of shallow boxscore analysis while ignoring that brief series' make for weird situations where 1 or 2 games can cause a discrepancy between the story stats tell and the way the actual games went.

There was no player more important than Dirk for the Mavs during that series and to assert otherwise in just about retarded.

 

[Texas2step]

He put up 8 and 8 on 36% shooting and couldn't stay in front of any point guards on defense. A high level? fukk outta here. At least be semi-realistic here and say "he hit a decent % of the spot up 3s Dirk created for him."

Kidd defense was the main reason why they won. He shut down Kobe in the Laker series and then Durant in the Thunder series. I remember because Durant was becoming my favorite player until he let Kidd shut him down.

And lets be real, the Mavs wouldn't have won if EVERYONE wasn't as hot as they was during that run

 

[Houston911]

Dirk shot 41 percent in the Finals. His team beat the Heat, but he wasn't the best player on the floor. We all know LeBron underperformed, but it wasn't because of Dirk.

I feel like this is why its an anomaly. Yes, his team wasn't that great around him, but they really played great in the postseason.

Like, if Dirk has a historical Finals performance I could say, yea, he really did this. But taken into account his production, the help came through, even if it wasn't there on paper.

how can you say the help came through even if it wasnt there on paper, but then say dirk didn't beast because you cant prove it on paper?

Kidd defense was the main reason why they won. He shut down Kobe in the Laker series and then Durant in the Thunder series. I remember because Durant was becoming my favorite player until he let Kidd shut him down.

And lets be real, the Mavs wouldn't have won if EVERYONE wasn't as hot as they was during that run

kobes injury shut down kobe

 

[Walt]

@Walt, you made some great points and you sound eloquent as usual, but youre od'ing with the kg hate. his defense is the reason lebron shot 35% and why kobe looked like shyt

i mean look at the difference in the celtics defense when old ass kg was off the floor last year in the playoffs. if anything the importance of garnetts defense has been understated.

I think KG is great. There's no denying that. I just don't think KG as a clear cut # 1 sniffs you a chip. They teamed KG up with two future Hall of Famers and one of the best young guards in the game and the Clets had to go to the limit against every team they played to win their title. To point out the difference between that and what Dirk did isn't undervaluing KG.

Also, whenever someone talks about Duncan and Dirk KG stans OD on "look at his teammates" and point out every fukking role player possible to demean their achievements.

Well, it goes both ways. Maybe the job the Celts did on Kobe and Bron had a lot to do with KG "anchoring the D," and maybe it had a lot to do with the brilliant defensive coaching of Thibs, who instantly turned the Bulls into a defensive juggernaut. Maybe James Posey playing beast D on the perimeter helped a little? Perkins on the interior?

KG was missing the playoffs in Minny, and getting his ass beat in the first round all the time. So his stans say "when he got help, he won." well, he didn't just "get help," he joined with two hall of famers and a young PG stud as well as a genius defensive coach. That's really not comparable to the effect Dirk has had on the Mavs his entire career. It just isn't.

And yes, Dream's run was better than Dirk's in my opinion, by far.

 

[Houston911]

I think KG is great. There's no denying that. I just don't think KG as a clear cut # 1 sniffs you a chip. They teamed KG up with two future Hall of Famers and one of the best young guards in the game and the Clets had to go to the limit against every team they played to win their title. To point out the difference between that and what Dirk did isn't undervaluing KG.

Also, whenever someone talks about Duncan and Dirk KG stans OD on "look at his teammates" and point out every fukking role player possible to demean their achievements.

Well, it goes both ways. Maybe the job the Celts did on Kobe and Bron had a lot to do with KG "anchoring the D," and maybe it had a lot to do with the brilliant defensive coaching of Thibs, who instantly turned the Bulls into a defensive juggernaut. Maybe James Posey playing beast D on the perimeter helped a little? Perkins on the interior?

KG was missing the playoffs in Minny, and getting his ass beat in the first round all the time. So his stans say "when he got help, he won." well, he didn't just "get help," he joined with two hall of famers and a young PG stud as well as a genius defensive coach. That's really not comparable to the effect Dirk has had on the Mavs his entire career. It just isn't.

And yes, Dream's run was better than Dirk's in my opinion, by far.

maybe so, but look at the defensive impact kg still had 4 years later

dirks run was better than kg's, i wasnt arguing that i agree with everything u said....i was talking about how you seemed sarcastic with the "kg defensive anchor"

perkins fukking sucks btw

 

[Ashyneezz]

nikka don't try to rewrite history. The only reason why Dallas won in '11 is because the best player on the planet completely bytched up and fell apart.

And the only reason Dallas lost in '06 was due to the refs so it evens out

 

[Jplaya2023]

And the only reason Dallas lost in '06 was due to the refs so it evens out

the refs didn't blow a 13 point lead with 6 minutes left n the 4th quarter.

 

[Ashyneezz]

Kidd defense was the main reason why they won. He shut down Kobe in the Laker series and then Durant in the Thunder series. I remember because Durant was becoming my favorite player until he let Kidd shut him down.

And Marion was the main defender on both of those players

 

[Ashyneezz]

the refs didn't blow a 13 point lead with 6 minutes left n the 4th quarter.

They played a huge role though

 

[Jplaya2023]

They played a huge role though

nope, dallas choked.

 

[Ashyneezz]

nope, dallas choked.

Hey and Lebron was shut down by Marion and a 38 year old Jason Kidd

 

[Jplaya2023]

Hey and Lebron was shut down by Marion and a 38 year old Jason Kidd

absolutely, no doubt

 

[seemorecizzy]

i cant argue with either dirk or garnett being second best
the problem is, i think a lot of ppl have short memories and forget how good garnett was in his prime. from 1998 to about 2006, u woulda been hard pressed to find ANYOne who thought dirk was better den kg
then when dirk and em choked and lost to a 8 seed, and followed dat up by losing in the first round again to da hornets, ppl werent saying dirk was better den garnett

DIs is only a argument cause of his championship run
which was probably the best i've ever seen
but even after the finals run homeboy came back up of shape and got swept in da first round

 

[Texas2step]

And Marion was the main defender on both of those players

Kidd guarded Kobe and Durant in the 4th quarters.

Since you can't remember, let these articles refresh your memory

In clutch, Kidd shuts down Kobe again - Dallas Mavericks Blog - ESPN Dallas