DJ Quik says he deserves to be where Dr Dre is

[JustCKing]

NWA - Cube and Yella
Death Row- Warren G, Snoop, Daz, Sam Sneed, J-Flexx
Early Aftermath all the heads from Pittsburgh like Mel Man, Stu B Doo and Bud'da
Later Aftermath - Mike Elizondo, Focus, Mark Batso

This is cap. And here's why:





^^^ these are songs produced by one of Dre's co-producers. Dr. Dre has no credits on either of these songs. If it's obvious who Dre was working with, please say who did these tracks without looking at the credits. If you are a fan of the albums or a Nas fan in general, you may already know.

Mike Elizondo has no credits on Hip Hop albums outside of his work with Dre. Please list his obvious contributions.




^^^ DJ Yella production sounds nothing like Dre.

 

[Guvnor]

Quik has a point because he does have the talent. However he just didn't put on as many quality acts like a Dre did. Not to say Dre didn't have duds too and artist who flopped.

However Quik got us Suga Free so that's a dope artist he put on.

 

[MurderToCassette]

This is cap. And here's why:





^^^ these are songs produced by one of Dre's co-producers. Dr. Dre has no credits on either of these songs. If it's obvious who Dre was working with, please say who did these tracks without looking at the credits. If you are a fan of the albums or a Nas fan in general, you may already know.

Mike Elizondo has no credits on Hip Hop albums outside of his work with Dre. Please list his obvious contributions.




^^^ DJ Yella production sounds nothing like Dre.

If that’s not the case then why does his sound change every time he changes collaborators? There’s little to no carry over from the NWA Public Enemy type sound collage beats to the Death Row G Funk, to the 2001 era minimalism to the stuff he started putting out after Mel Man left. Of course the sound of hip hop changed, but many other legendary producers have a signature sound that evolved and didn’t suddenly change when they have other people around.

If you want to just pick and choose beats, the original For the love of money beat Yella made for Yomo and Maulkie sounds just like some late NWA era Dre stuff.

Even if you leave Mike Elizondo and Yella off the list, how many other producers has Dre had involved with his stuff vs Quik?

 

[JustCKing]

If that’s not the case then why does his sound change every time he changes collaborators? There’s little to no carry over from the NWA Public Enemy type sound collage beats to the Death Row G Funk, to the 2001 era minimalism to the stuff he started putting out after Mel Man left. Of course the sound of hip hop changed, but many other legendary producers have a signature sound that evolved and didn’t suddenly change when they have other people around.

If you want to just pick and choose beats, the original For the love of money beat Yella made for Yomo and Maulkie sounds just like some late NWA era Dre stuff.

Even if you leave Mike Elizondo and Yella off the list, how many other producers has Dre had involved with his stuff vs Quik?

You're backtracking now. You said it was obvious who the co-producers were based on the sound. If that's the case, you should easily be able to point out which co-producers did which beats. That isn't the case.

Producers evolve and devlop their sound especially if they don't want to stagnate their sound. Dre has been around for decades.

Most of Dre's collaborators were producers that he put on. Others, like Mark Batson and Mike Elizondo, weren't even doing Hip Hop before collaborating with Dre. Mark Batson was a keyboardist for the Dave Matthews Band and Mike Elizondo was a bassist for Fiona Apple and other artists. Scott Storch is the only Dre collaborator who was doing Hip Hop before linking with Dre due to his works with The Roots. "You Got Me" sounds nothing like what he was doing with Dre. Mel-Man, I don't recall having any credits before working with Dre.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Completely agree. For every artist Dre put on, how many dope artists and records have just sat while signed to Dre? Everybody from Raekwon to Last Emperor to Hittman, to King T, to Rakim, and a dozen more just sat and released nothing at Aftermath. All so we could get more wack Eminem albums and half-assed singles like "I Need A Doctor".

Quik might be a little bugged out, but his music has always been on some other shyt too. He's much more than an excellent engineer. You can trace his organic musical progression album to album from funk to jazz and R&B. As much as I mess with Dre's production, you can clearly tell who's writing and producing with him based on the era and who was around him.

NWA - Cube and Yella
Death Row- Warren G, Snoop, Daz, Sam Sneed, J-Flexx
Early Aftermath all the heads from Pittsburgh like Mel Man, Stu B Doo and Bud'da
Later Aftermath - Mike Elizondo, Focus, Mark Batson

Of course Quik had co-production from G-One and Rob Bacon and session musicians on his shyt too but Dre is on some "LeBron needs more help" shyt

Difference is, nobody does better AFTER dre, except Ice Cube. That's the one exception.

Nobody from Snoop, Dogg Pound, Rage, Eazy-E, Yella, Ren, 50 Cent, Eminem, Game, etc. . . has made better records without Dre than they made with him.

Where is J-Flexx & Sam Sneed now?

Mel-Man?

Colin Wolfe & David Ruffin Jr?

 

[MurderToCassette]

Difference is, nobody does better AFTER dre, except Ice Cube. That's the one exception.

Nobody from Snoop, Dogg Pound, Rage, Eazy-E, Yella, Ren, 50 Cent, Eminem, Game, etc. . . has made better records without Dre than they made with him.

Where is J-Flexx & Sam Sneed now?

Mel-Man?

By the same token, where is Dre without good collaborators? Making mid records like Compton that don't move the needle or not releasing records at all.

 

[Boonapalist]

NWA - Cube and Yella
Death Row- Warren G, Snoop, Daz, Sam Sneed, J-Flexx
Early Aftermath all the heads from Pittsburgh like Mel Man, Stu B Doo and Bud'da
Later Aftermath - Mike Elizondo, Focus, Mark Batson

Of course Quik had co-production from G-One and Rob Bacon and session musicians on his shyt too but Dre is on some "LeBron needs more help" shyt

I can’t speak for post Chronic but naw during the NWA years according to Stan the Guitar Man and Colin Wolfe Yella’s involvement was minimal. And on the Chronic Warren G and Dax’s involvement was minimal. Chris “The Glove Taylor” did more than them.

And we’ve seen Dre produce a classic album without coproduction with No One Can Do It Better.

 

[Deltron]

Difference is, nobody does better AFTER dre, except Ice Cube.

Nobody from Snoop,

ehh, I'd argue snoop has.

shyt like bush or 7 days of Funk had zero Dre involvement and are excellent collaborations w/ P and Dam-funk.

 

[banner34]

Not really

 

[Chris Cool]

Eminem's best music came from Bass Bros.

 

[JustCKing]

By the same token, where is Dre without good collaborators? Making mid records like Compton that don't move the needle or not releasing records at all.

He had a lot of good collaborators on that album and possibly the first Dre album that was more focused on established acts than newcomers. There was Bink, DJ Dahi, Cardiak, DJ Premier, and DJ Khalil. There was also features from Snoop, Xzibit, Cube, Game, Eminem, Kendrick Lamar. Anderson.Paak was a newcomer who had a huge presence on the album and the only one to really blow up. Compton and Documentary 2.1 were my first time hearing Anderson.

Compton was an album Dre pretty much put out without a proper single or video.

 

[Budda]

I don't buy that "Well, Quik worked with mediocre artists his whole career" as a reason why he never was seen as big as Dre. Put it this way, Timbaland had Magoo. MAGOO. This dude had a platinum album with hit songs.

This is after he had already worked extensively with stars like Ginuwine Aaliyah and Missy though.

 

[JustCKing]

This is after he had already worked extensively with stars like Ginuwine Aaliyah and Missy though.

I get that, but Magoo is still widely looked at as a marginally talented rapper. The fact that he managed to have hit songs and a platinum album is still shocking even after Tim's success with Aaliyah, Ginuwine, and Missy.

 

[Budda]

Dude, DJ Quik's from COMPTON. . . COMPTON

There's literally legendary rappers falling out of the sky in Compton.

Now, you think it's a coincidence that virtually ALL of them found their way to Dre instead of Quik in spite of the fact that they grew up in the same place at the same exact time?


No, Dre's an actual MUSIC PRODUCER like Quincy Jones, while guys like Quick are beat makers. BIG DIFFERENCE.

You think Quincy playing the instruments on "Thriller", G?

He didn't "come in the game with them", he MADE them.

There is no Cube, Ren, Eazy, D.O.C. without Dre.

It's like when nikkaz act like Scottie Pippen aint a top 50 player because he got to practice with Michael Jordan every fukkn' day until he picked up something.

Dogg Food & All Eyez On Me are not on the level of The Chronic or Doggystyle


Those records were the beginning of the end of Death Row's dominance, een though they're all-time great records themselves.

Put the crackpipe down.

That's like saying why can't Quincy Jones just make a record on his own?

Why can't Steph Curry win a chip on his own?

Why can't Kanye make a classic on his own?

Some dudes their genius is in their collaborative abilities.

Dre platformed dudes who were nothing before him and made them legends.

Eazy-E wasn't even a rapper & Dre got him platinum records.

Eminem is literally the ONLY super lyrical battlerap type rapper in history to be successful. Think about all the Supermaturals, Jins, Serius Jones, Math Hoffa type rappers. Aint none of them nikkaz sell no records. This whyte boy meets Dre & literally becomes the best selling rapper of all-time.

Snoop himself admits that Dr. Dre taught him how to write songs because he was just a freestyle battle rapper who didn't know how to make music

The only dude I think might have been okay had he never met Dre is Cube, but he would've been a TOTALLY different cat. Remember why Cube went to NY to work with The Bomb Squad? He said if he couldn't work with the best producer on the West Coast (Dre), he'd have to work with the best ones in the East. He could've worked with Quik & a ton of other cats, but chose against it.

50 Could've easily been Papoose or Saiton or the 120,000 NY rappers who get all this street hype and become nothing. Dre put him on his course.

Dre is Dre for a reason.

Aint nobody ever got better AFTER leaving Dre.

You’ve gone too far the other way, have you heard ‘Ghetto Quran’? 50 was never going to be a papoose or Saigon, two different type of rappers.

 

[Street Knowledge]

The thing I always thought was funny was the best Eminem songs of all time generally speaking are not really produced by Dr Dre. They are either produced by Eminem himself, the bass brothers, or an outside guy like 45 King