DNC Chair Race: PEREZ WINS (DNC asks all staffers to resign)

[Copy Ninja]

WE know what their agenda is

Seeing Donna Brazile all up on stage

Democrats and their moral high ground

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

This guy came out and said the primary were rigged himself, and then rescinded it because he was so afraid of the establishment and clinton fans. He has no backbone. And Buffalo has been dying for a long time and only recently has started to make a comeback, mostly due to homegrown movements.

You said he messed with the debates. How? And I'll admit, I don't have much knowledge on Buffalo and the effects free trade had on the city. I'll take whatever information you have to become more informed though.

Anyway, I think we're straying from the path. Recognizing that the DNC chair is an organizational position, and not a policy position, how is he not qualified? How does his win prove that lessons weren't learned? That's open to anybody that wants to answer.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Such a weird savior complex that is involved with some justifications for LEV.

What I want is for space to be created for those who are negatively impacted by policies to organize and fight back. None of these establishment candidates support rescinding policies and laws that would create that type of space.

I don't understand the first statement. Could you clarify?

As for the second, which party gets you closer to that objective? That is the way I try to think about these things. You fight like hell to get your preferred candidate but if you're not victorious you take the lick and keep moving forward.

 

[the next guy]

You said he messed with the debates. How? And I'll admit, I don't have much knowledge on Buffalo and the effects free trade had on the city. I'll take whatever information you have to become more informed though.

Anyway, I think we're straying from the path. Recognizing that the DNC chair is an organizational position, and not a policy position, how is he not qualified? How does his win prove that lessons weren't learned? That's open to anybody that wants to answer.

Tom Perez Scores an Own Goal in DNC Contest

Berman - WikiLeaks

 

[JahFocus CS]

I don't understand the first statement. Could you clarify?

As for the second, which party gets you closer to that objective? That is the way I try to think about these things. You fight like hell to get your preferred candidate but if you're not victorious you take the lick and keep moving forward.

In your last post you seemed to suggest that people voting for more progressive third-party candidates instead of establishment nominees were somehow in the wrong for not voting for the (Dem) candidates who you feel are less dangerous than the Republican candidates, with the danger being to folks who you think progressive voters are better insulated than. I think some sort of a savior complex is an aspect of seeing lesser-evilism voting as a general orientation instead of a situational tactic. I focus on the social balance of forces and I know that the Democrats are a bourgeois party that is not for the working class. So, I don't necessarily see the Democrats as getting closer to what I'd like to see.

I have my own answers to these and my own thoughts on solutions but I want to pose the questions to you. Who in particular is being damaged by GOP policies? What are the Democrats proposing that is substantively different from those policies? Are the folks/groups you think are being particularly harmed by GOP policies organizing to defend their own interests and what does a state of affairs look like under which these folks/groups are not vulnerable and oppressed? Does that state of affairs look anything like what the Democrats are advocating for?

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Tom Perez Scores an Own Goal in DNC Contest

Berman - WikiLeaks

I read that email and still don't see how Perez messed with the debates. Can you explain it? It's that email from 2014, correct?

Or how the Nevada email is bad in any way. Highlighting diversity, and pushing back against a narrative is bad?

This is the full excerpt and not just some cutout:

Nevada is an opportunity to fight back on so many levels. First, the current storyline is that she does not connect well with young voters. Given that Nevada is far more demographically representative of America, I am confident that HRC can do well with all African Americans, Latinos, and Asian Americans (dont forget the sizeable population of Asian Americans in Nevada, including Filipinos.). Emmy and the team have a good plan to attract all minority voters. When we do well there, then the narrative changes from Bernie kicks ass among young voters to Bernie does well only among young white liberals-- that is a different story and a perfect lead in to South Carolina, where once again, we can work to attract young voters of color. So I think Nevada is a real opportunity , and I would strongly urge HRC to get out there within a couple days of NH.

That's all irrelevant anyway. I'm just curious why this matters for an administrative position? He's not shaping policy. It's fully organizational.

 

[FAH1223]

You guys remember that kid Zach who went after Donna Brazille right after the election?

He's tweeting

 

[True Blue Moon]

Democrats are the 2016 Falcons of politics.

That's just mean

 

[JoogJoint]

It's directed to anyone who places their own feelings over the consequences of continued GOP political dominance. The thing is that for many of us who follow politics at such a granular level, we are far more insulated from the damage that Trump and Co. have done and will continue to do. A lot of people in the Democratic Party have the luxury of being able to huff and puff then vote for a dumb bytch like Stein or Nader.

Nobody is entitled to the working class people's vote. Nobody should continue voting for two parties who don't fit their interests. I know I'm not and as a voter I'm not standing for it.

I'm in the state of SC where voting democrat doesn't make a difference anyways.

Ask yourself something: what is the difference between a republican and a democrat nowadays?

 

[the cac mamba]

 

[JahFocus CS]

Nobody is entitled to the working class people's vote. Nobody should continue voting for two parties who don't fit their interests. I know I'm not and as a voter I'm not standing for it.

I'm in the state of SC where voting democrat doesn't make a difference anyways.

Ask yourself something: what is the difference between a republican and a democrat nowadays?

My impression is that he thinks everyone should vote on behalf of the "interests" of working-class people (i.e., not their real interests, just whatever harms them less between Dems and Repubs) who themselves don't vote.

Most motherfukkers are staying home. What does that tell you about the entire system?

 

[hayesc0]

Democrats are the 2016 Falcons of politics.

I agree.

 

[JoogJoint]

My impression is that he thinks everyone should vote on behalf of the "interests" of working-class people (i.e., not their real interests, just whatever harms them less between Dems and Repubs) who themselves don't vote.

Most motherfukkers are staying home. What does that tell you about the entire system?

People don't realize that we have weak candidates in the Democratic party on a local level as well. We have many Clintons, Perezs, Bookers, and not enough Ellisons and Sanders.

I live in SC where running as Democrat is pretty much wasting your time.

 

[How Sway?]

Hopefully with Perez nominating Ellisson as his deputy chair can at least unite the Democrats and progressives and they can move forward on real issues other than ghey shyt and tranny bathrooms.

maybe I'm being naive, but both wings gotta come together not just symbollically and not bc of their mutual hate for the orange man

 

[JahFocus CS]

Hopefully with Perez nominating Ellisson as his deputy chair can at least unite the Democrats and progressives and they can move forward on real issues other than ghey shyt and tranny bathrooms.

maybe I'm being naive but both wings gotta come together not just symbollically and not bc of their mutual hate for the orange man

The marginalization of LGBTQ people is a real issue. Just because they are sexual minorities doesn't invalidate their concerns or make them unimportant.