DNC Chair Race: PEREZ WINS (DNC asks all staffers to resign)

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I definitely agree with you that among some there is a savior complex that is used to mask ones true intentions. Speaking for myself (and I would guess many others are in the same position), I was born and raised in a working class family (and even that is being generous) as were the vast majority of my friends and family growing up. I am in no way removed from all of the things we had to go through.

You're getting caught up in a philosophical discussion and meanwhile the working class that you care for is going to be put through the grinder. I absolutely agree that on some issues there is unfortunately not enough daylight between the establishment wing of the Democratic Party and the GOP. But it is objectively false to claim that across an entire platform that the Democratic Party isn't closer to the interests of the working class than the alternative. And to suggest that is IMO willful blindness. It's one thing to believe that because you simply are uninformed, but to peddle that falsehood simply because a candidate or party fails a particular purity test is beyond my comprehension.

People need to realize that political change rarely if ever occurs at the drop of a hat. It's not something that just happens with one election, or one candidate. These are GENERATIONAL struggles. The minute you walk away you lose any influence you may have had to push policy towards the people you claim to support.

RE: your questions

1. Everyone is being harmed by GOP policies.
2. Is this a serious question? You don't think there is a difference between Dem/GOP policies on the environment (air/water quality standards, fuel efficiency, oil exploration on federal lands etc), health care (Medicaid expansion), taxation (tax cuts/credits disproportionately skewed towards upper income - for instance look at the real story behind Ivanka's child care tax credit) , immigration (even if you favor increased enforcement, there is a difference in priorities of whom should be deported; proposed elimination of the DV lottery visa program, which is one of the few ways that Africans are able to legally immigrate to the US; policies against sanctuary cities), criminal justice (they've already backtracked on policies meant to eliminate the use of private prisons in the federal prison system; they will end up fighting states that have relaxed recreational marijuana laws ); even on things that both parties "agree" such as the infrastructure investment, the way those initiatives will be financed is night and day, and of course the Trump/GOP policy ends up being nothing more than a giveaway to contractors for projects that they were ALREADY planning, or projects that only make financial sense if the newly constructed asset is privatized.

3. Again, as is the case with all things in life - people will have different motivations for everyhting they do. Of course there are people organizing - people from all socio-economic statuses. I have no idea what that will look like. But again you are chasing unicorns. At what point in history has there ever been a civilization whereby some group is not being oppressed? Is that the standard by which you judge a political platform??? If it doesn't end all oppression then it's not something you can get behind?

I am also working class. I am not getting caught up in a philosophical discussion. The Democrats are not a party of and for the working class; it was the party of slaveholders ffs. The beatdown of the working class is a bipartisan endeavor and over several decades the Democrats have been able to get through anti-working class policies that the Republicans could only dream about. Yet for various reasons, whether it be a more moderate anti-working class policy here or a hat tip to identity politics there, the Democrats have maintained a reputation as being a pro-worker, pro-POC party. I think that is delusional and allowing them to maintain that facade does the working class no favors.

Make it easier to unionize. Roll back right-to-work. Remove the ban on solidarity strikes. [just about the entire labor regime in the U.S. needs to be undone] Provide (at least some) free higher education. Real universal health care. Raise the minimum wage. These are pro-working class policies to me. Sanders and other social democrats in the party are pushing for a couple of those but the establishment worked overtime the past two years to dead all of that.

I agree that political change isn't instant. Like Lenin said, "there are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen." And my criticism is grounded in an analysis of many decades of Democrats pursuing anti-working class policies, not a single election cycle or candidate.

1. :ehh: except the rich

2. I'll grant that there are some differences around the edges. But I don't think any of those fundamentally get at how this country operates in terms of racialized capitalism, settler colonialism, ecocidal economics, and oligarchy though. Dems are marginally better on a number of issues.

3. No such civilization/society has existed since the rise of class society. However, under advanced capitalism, the working class has the potential to take the world beyond capitalism and toward a classless society. By fighting for the absolute equality of all members of the working class regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc., those oppressions can be abolished once and for all. These are socialist principles and outlooks. I don't expect the Democratic Party to be speaking like that. As I said, they're a bourgeois party. The best that can be hoped for out of them is some mild social democracy and a maybe a rollback of some draconian laws regarding labor and third-parties in the electoral system, to create space for the working class to organize more easily and militantly for its interests.

But, my point with that question was if you had specific groups in mind -- for example, let's take Afrikans -- the system is inherently against us and the Democrats' policies represent, at best, a band-aid for a bullet wound (and only half a band-aid if we're talking establishment policies and not progressive policies). If I'm being told to choose between someone putting a band-aid on my gunshot wound (Dems) and another thumbing the wound to make it more painful (Repubs), I'm rejecting that and taking my ass to a surgeon to get stitched up and get my problem solved.
 

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For the noobs in this thread who keep caping for or/and arguing Perez is as good a Progressive pick as Ellison:

MEMBERS OF THE Democratic National Committee will meet on Saturday to choose their new chair, replacing the disgraced interim chair Donna Brazile, who replaced the disgraced five-year chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Even though the outcome is extremely unlikely to change the (failed) fundamentals of the party, the race has become something of an impassioned proxy war replicating the 2016 primary fight: between the Clinton/Obama establishment wing (which largely backs Obama Labor Secretary Tom Perez, who vehemently supported Clinton) and the insurgent Sanders wing (which backs Keith Ellison, the first Muslim ever elected to the U.S. Congress, who was an early Sanders supporter).

The New Republic’s Clio Chang has a great, detailed analysis of the contest. She asks the key question about Perez’s candidacy that has long hovered and yet has never been answered. As Chang correctly notes, supporters of Perez insist, not unreasonably, that he is materially indistinguishable from Ellison in terms of ideology (despite his support for TPP, seemingly grounded in loyalty to Obama). This, she argues, is “why the case for Tom Perez makes no sense”: After all, “if Perez is like Ellison — in both his politics and ideology — why bother fielding him in the first place?”

The timeline here is critical. Ellison announced his candidacy on November 15, armed with endorsements that spanned the range of the party: Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Raúl Grijalva, and various unions on the left, along with establishment stalwarts such as Chuck Schumer, Amy Klobuchar, and Harry Reid. He looked to be the clear frontrunner.

But as Ellison’s momentum built, the Obama White House worked to recruit Perez to run against Ellison. They succeeded, and Perez announced his candidacy on December 15 — a full month after Ellison announced. Why did the White House work to recruit someone to sink Ellison? If Perez and Ellison are so ideologically indistinguishable, why was it so important to the Obama circle — and the Clinton circle — to find someone capable of preventing Ellison’s election? What’s the rationale? None has ever been provided.

I can’t recommend Chang’s analysis highly enough on one key aspect of what motivated the recruitment of Perez: to ensure that the Democratic establishment maintains its fatal grip on the party and, in particular, to prevent Sanders followers from having any say in the party’s direction and identity:

There is one real difference between the two: Ellison has captured the support of the left wing. … It appears that the underlying reason some Democrats prefer Perez over Ellison has nothing to do with ideology, but rather his loyalty to the Obama wing. As the head of the DNC, Perez would allow that wing to retain more control, even if Obama-ites are loath to admit it. …

And it’s not just Obama- and Clinton-ites that could see some power slip away with an Ellison-headed DNC. Paid DNC consultants also have a vested interest in maintaining the DNC status quo. Nomiki Konst, who has extensively covered the nuts and bolts of the DNC race, asked Perez how he felt about conflicts of interest within the committee — specifically, DNC members who also have contracts with the committee. Perez dodged the issue, advocating for a “big tent.” In contrast, in a forum last month, Ellison firmly stated, “We are battling the consultant-ocracy.”

In other words, Perez, despite his progressive credentials, is viewed — with good reason — as a reliable functionary and trustworthy loyalist by those who have controlled the party and run it into the ground, whereas Ellison is viewed as an outsider who may not be as controllable and, worse, may lead the Sanders contingent to perceive that they have been integrated into and empowered within the party.

BUT THERE’S AN
uglier and tawdrier aspect to this. Just over two weeks after Ellison announced, the largest single funder of both the Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign — the Israeli-American billionaire Haim Saban — launched an incredibly toxic attack on Ellison, designed to signal his veto. “He is clearly an anti-Semite and anti-Israel individual,” pronounced Saban about the African-American Muslim congressman, adding: “Keith Ellison would be a disaster for the relationship between the Jewish community and the Democratic Party.”

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Saban has a long history not only of fanatical support for Israel — “I’m a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel,” he told the New York Times in 2004 about himself — but also an ugly track record of animus toward Muslims. As The Forward gently put it, he is prone to “a bit of anti-Muslim bigotry,” including when he said Muslims deserve “more scrutiny” and “also called for profiling and broader surveillance.” In 2014, he teamed up with right-wing billionaire Sheldon Adelson to push a pro-Israel agenda. In that notorious NYT profile, he attacked the ACLU for opposing Bush/Cheney civil liberties assaults and said: “On the issues of security and terrorism I am a total hawk.”

There’s no evidence that Saban’s attack on Ellison is what motivated the White House to recruit an opponent. But one would have to be indescribably naïve about the ways of Washington to believe that such a vicious denunciation by one of the party’s most influential billionaire funders had no effect at all.

The DNC headquarters was built with Saban’s largesse: He donated $7 million to build that building, and he previously served as chairman of the party’s capital-expenditure campaign. Here’s how Mother Jones’s Andy Kroll, in a November profile, described the influence Saban wields within elite Democratic circles:

No single political patron has done more for the Clintons over the span of their careers. In the past 20 years, Saban and his wife have donated $2.4 million to the Clintons’ various campaigns and at least $15 million to the Clinton Foundation, where Cheryl Saban serves as a board member. Haim Saban prides himself on his top-giver status: “If I’m not No. 1, I’m going to cut my balls off,” he once remarked on the eve of a Hillary fundraiser. The Sabans have given more than $10 million to Priorities USA, making them among the largest funders of the pro-Hillary super-PAC. In the lead-up to the 2016 presidential campaign, he vowed to spend “whatever it takes” to elect her. …

The ties go beyond money. The Clintons have flown on the Sabans’ private jet, stayed at their LA home, and vacationed at their Acapulco estate. The two families watched the 2004 election results together at the Clintons’ home, and Bill Clinton gave the final toast at one of Cheryl Saban’s birthday parties. Haim Saban is chummy enough with Hillary that he felt comfortable telling her that she sounded too shrill on the stump. “Why are you shouting all the time?” he says he told her. “It’s drilling a hole in my head.” Clinton campaign emails released by WikiLeaks in October contain dozens of messages to, from, and referencing Saban. And they show that he has no qualms about pressing Clinton and her aides on her position toward Israel. “She needs to differentiate herself from Obama on Israel,” he wrote in June 2015 to Clinton’s top aides.

When Clinton, during the campaign, denounced the boycott movement devoted to defeating Israeli occupation, she did it in the form of public letter to Saban. To believe that Democrats assign no weight to Saban’s adamantly stated veto of Ellison is to believe in the tooth fairy.

Saban’s attack predictably spawned media reports that Jewish groups had grown “uncomfortable” with Ellison’s candidacy (the ADL pronounced his past criticisms of Israel “disqualifying”), while whispers arose that the last thing the Democratic Party needed to win back Rust Belt voters was a black Muslim as the face of the party (even though the Detroit-born Ellison himself is from the Rust Belt).



As both Chang and Vox’s Jeff Stein have argued, the fact that DNC chair is a largely functionary position, with little real power over party policy or messaging, is all the more reason to throw Sanders supporters a symbolic bone. If Democrats were smart, this would be the perfect opportunity to capture that energized left-wing movement without having to make any real concessions on what matters most to them: loyalty to their corporate donor base.

But it’s hard to conclude that a party that has navigated itself into such collapse, which deliberately and knowingly chose the weakest candidate, who managed to lose to Donald J. Trump, is one that is thinking wisely and strategically. As Chang persuasively argues, it seems Democratic leaders prioritize ensuring that the left has no influence in their party over strengthening itself to beat the Trump-led Republicans:

The same could be said of today’s battle over the DNC and the push to install a loyal technocrat like Perez. This reluctance to cede control comes despite the fact that Democrats have lost over 1,000 state legislature seats since 2009. There is no case for Perez that cannot be made for Ellison, while Ellison is able to energize progressives in ways that Perez cannot. The question that will be answered on Saturday is whether Democrats have more urgent priorities than denying power to the left.

That view, one must grant, is deeply cynical of Democratic leaders. But — besides fearing the wrath of Saban — what else can explain why they were so eager to recruit someone to block Keith Ellison?

If the plan to sink Ellison succeeds, the message that will be heard — fairly or not — is that the Democratic Party continues to venerate loyalty to its oligarchical donors above all else, and that preventing left-wing influence is a critical goal. In other words, the message will be that the party — which to date has refused to engage in any form of self-reckoning — is steadfastly committed to following exactly the same course, led by the same factions, that has ushered in such disaster.
 

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:francis: I think 2018 can turn out better than 2020... we really need to focus on local and state races, if Republicans run the table in 2018 and pick up more state legislatures and governorships, this shyt is a total and complete wrap.
I guess Ellison being deputy chair isn't all bad. He's in there in some capacity.

Gotta play the game somehow :francis:
 

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People need to work on the democratic process at the roots and vote. Stop chasing "change". Who knows at this time what it will take to reverse the effects of Trump and his cronies.

You're never going to like every aspect of every candidate.
This is weak. It can't be "but trump!" forever because he won't be in forever, just like bush wasn't there forever. People have the right to withold support if they don't like they way the organization is being run. And it looks like that will happen with millenials once again.
No lies detected
A white supremacist with a heavy anti-muslim message just became president and ya'll want a muslim, a black muslim at that as the face of the DNC :laff:
So scared... so we will defeat his ws how... with tweets and buying stuff? If you don't push forward how do you progress. Shows the dems only care about lip service and not results on racism.
 
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