DNC's Black Policy of Benign Neglect

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I feel like Liz and Booker are the only candidates who have talked about these issues. Maybe Kamala though issue policy isn’t her strength

Williamson and Castro talked about before Liz and Booker did. And far more at length.

Do you have anything against HR 40 or do you just think it's too easy for a politician to say they support it? Because I really don't think the next step is happening until HR 40 or something like it happens first.

Seeing as it was a struggle to get them to even agree to, much less say, HR40 in 1st place, I think until a politician says something like, "black people should be 1st in line for marijuana licenses" or "all and only black people can go to HBCUs for free", it's gonna be seen as more empty promises.
 

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Seeing as it was a struggle to get them to even agree to, much less say, HR40 in 1st place, I think until a politician says something like, "black people should be 1st in line for marijuana licenses" or "all and only black people can go to HBCUs for free", it's gonna be seen as more empty promises.
Basic human nature tho, if you don't reward people for taking steps in the right direction then they won't go any further in that direction.

I don't see how reparations could possibly happen without something like HR40 (even reparations advocates have no agreement at all in answering the basic questions HR 40 is meant to address), so if someone pushes that step then acknowledge it as a good step. Give them positive affirmation that makes them want to do more.

Otherwise you run the risk of them thinking "well if you don't care then fukk you" and you've lost your momentum. I really think politicians should be treated like children in that respect - you have to lead them along slowly.
 

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Basic human nature tho, if you don't reward people for taking steps in the right direction then they won't go any further in that direction.

50 years of political loyalty to 1 party should be considered more than enough of a reward to the DNC. It shouldn't have taken an entire twitter movement/outrage to get Dems to mention and back HR40. At this point, it should be just "rewarding good behavior" (since we're using parental analogies) but also if not moreso disciplining them as well. Keep your eyes on the Dems and when they get offtrack, set them straight. When they don't listen about the stove being hot, let them try it out for themselves.

Politics isn't moved by the good, but by the disciplined and the willing. We just hope that they are good.
 

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50 years of political loyalty to 1 party should be considered more than enough of a reward to the DNC. It shouldn't have taken an entire twitter movement/outrage to get Dems to mention and back HR40. At this point, it should be just "rewarding good behavior" (since we're using parental analogies) but also if not moreso disciplining them as well. Keep your eyes on the Dems and when they get offtrack, set them straight. When they don't listen about the stove being hot, let them try it out for themselves.

Politics isn't moved by the good, but by the disciplined and the willing. We just hope that they are good.
That doesn't make any sense. Support 40-50 years ago, even 10 years ago, is irrelevant to whether the move towards HR40 is incentivized or not.

Coates's "The Case For Reparations" column is what began moving the Overton Window in this direction. The push of the radical left from Bernie's surprising viability in 2016 and then the Squad and company in 2018 is what made it that much more real. In previous eras it would NOT have gotten this far, you can see that even in how many people on this forum are gung-ho about reparations even though they never mentioned them before.

But we've seen from the past that current positive gains don't guarantee further gains. How do you incentivize further gains? By rewarding the ones moving in the right direction and penalizing the ones who are not. If you just say, "not good enough, fukk you" to all of them, and none of them see a present-day-viable way to win your support, then they're eventually gonna say "fukk you too then" and start chasing after votes they have a realistic shot of capturing.

Until 2016, no one had truly, effectively challenged the Democratic establishment in decades. Until 2018, no one had done it and won. In the aftermath of 2018, we for the first time have serious candidates in explicit support of HR 40. I say cement those gains and get behind those candidates, because HR 40 is by FAR the best thing you could hope for in any near-term future.

Then the next step, once you've rewarded some candidates who support HR 40, is to get enough of them to actually pass it. If any of the supporters fall back, you pull back your support. You do that until you get it through.

And THEN, when the recommendations of HR 40 actually come through, you force them to act on them. If they don't? Pull the support.

The carrot and the stick have to be used every step of the way. If you don't make use of the tools you have when they respond, then at some point they're just going to stop responding.
 

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That doesn't make any sense. Support 40-50 years ago, even 10 years ago, is irrelevant to whether the move towards HR40 is incentivized or not.

Whoa. :whoa:

I am saying 50 years of continuous support up to this day. We're not talking about support 50 years ago. If 50 years of continuous support up to today for the DNC should be incentive enough to back HR40 -- easily. Instead those candidates had to be pushed and cajoled into doing so. It's so much a reward as a promise, you don't support reparations, you don't vote for reparations, then you don't get my vote.

In fact, rereading my post, your post, and now this post. We're saying the same thing. Two sides of the same coin.

G'day, breh. :win:
 

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Journey to power: The history of black voters, 1976 to 2020
Who won the black vote in the Democratic presidential primary?
Since 1992, no candidate has won the Democratic nomination for president without winning a majority of black vote. Black voters are likely to account for one of every four primary ballots cast in 2020.

Source: Network exit polls

Year Candidate Eventual nominee
2016
Hillary Clinton (won 77 percent of the black vote) Hillary Clinton
2008 Barack Obama (82 percent) Barack Obama
2004 John Kerry (56 percent) John Kerry
2000 Al Gore (86 percent) Al Gore
1992 Bill Clinton (70 percent) Bill Clinton
1988 Jesse Jackson (92 percent) Michael Dukakis
1984 Jesse Jackson (77 percent) Walter Mondale
1980 Ted Kennedy (45 percent) Jimmy Carter

Black vote in the general election by % voted for Dem
1980 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

2016 88%
2012 93%
2008 95%
2004 88%
2000 90%
1996 84%
1992 83%
1988 89%
1984 91%
1980 83%
1976 82%
 
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