Do Black Americans have it easier than Caribbean Blacks?

[88m3]

If you are serious, and not being childish, no. You would have wanted to run with me, or at least knew me. That's why all this west indians are different shyt is a joke to me. I ran with west indians, latins, and only a few Americans. Its just how my environment was. Maybe its some internet or lame shyt because a lot of people who would talk that shyt was lame nikkas or people who couldn't mingle with others. I think they used it as an excuse as to why they couldn't compete with what was going on. They was about education, but that is because that's all they had to do. Whats funny is some of those same people moved out of nyc, and don't talk none of that shyt anymore. So I should give you a small pass because you are in NYC, and probably never really been anywhere else in the states, and mingled with the people, so that is why you think the way you do. You aren't changing so lets just chill because the shyt is getting corny. I'm wasting my time, and when I read some of these comments dissing AA, it just brings out the anger. Think what you want, it aint reality.

All I was pointing out in that other thread was that we have different backgrounds and histories because of where we are from. I'm not saying one is better than other or trying to say "we're different".
I've been all over the states. Have a good weekend.

 

[kayslay]

I'm just pointing out a reality. There's nothing to get upset about.
What are the concerns of AA's?


You've lost me now. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
In a shorter period of time immigrants seem to tend to really live the "American dream".


"Most don't consider themselves AA, and their success doesn't benefit the AA community.
Black immigrants claim AA when beneficial then distance themselves when it isn't.
That being the case they shouldn't be grouped with AAs".

lol, wut?

You're either an AA or you're not.
I've never heard that. It sounds like something you would say to children to scare them.

That's absolutely right! If you're black you're not necessarily an AA.

I'm not upset though.
why does everyone assume I'm angry because i have a difference of opinion?
anyway, I just told you, our well being and that of our descendents.
the American Dream for an American and that of an immigrant are different.
As I told you before you all don't have the same stake in the game.
That isn't something you say to a kid that is reality.
AA is an ethnic group NOT a race. Just as when i go on vacation in Jamaica it doesn't make me Caribbean.
If you aren't with us you're against us its really that simple. And Black immigrants have shown that they are INDEED in competition NOT alliance with AAs.
Its fine for a Jamaican or Nigerian involved in thuggery to get called an AA but if one of the latter gets a degree, oh now its time to make a distinction.
Same with President Obama he was just considered an AA but the minute he's a success now he's BiRacial , Now he's Kenyan. Even though those same groups threw him to the bushes on the come up but now all of he success is attributed to the fact that He ISNT AA even though his success is LARGELY due to the AA community. but i digress....
Difference between Black immigrants or today and those of yesteryear is they put in the work,and contributed to the AA community.
All that being said you DON'T want to be Labeled AA when you're successful, you DONT want to contribute to the AA community, then why claim it at all?

 

[kayslay]

ok i

@kayslay Just post it. If its as good as her other posts, other people should read it. She makes a lot of sense.

had to put my nephew to sleep, im gonna post them now.

 

[88m3]

I'm not upset though.
why does everyone assume I'm angry because i have a difference of opinion?
anyway, I just told you, our well being and that of our descendents.
the American Dream for an American and that of an immigrant are different.
As I told you before you all don't have the same stake in the game.
That isn't something you say to a kid that is reality.
AA is an ethnic group NOT a race. Just as when i go on vacation in Jamaica it doesn't make me Caribbean.
If you aren't with us you're against us its really that simple. And Black immigrants have shown that they are INDEED in competition NOT alliance with AAs.
Its fine for a Jamaican or Nigerian involved in thuggery to get called an AA but if one of the latter gets a degree, oh now its time to make a distinction.
Same with President Obama he was just considered an AA but the minute he's a success now he's BiRacial , Now he's Kenyan. Even though those same groups threw him to the bushes on the come up but now all of he success is attributed to the fact that He ISNT AA even though his success is LARGELY due to the AA community. but i digress....
Difference between Black immigrants or today and those of yesteryear is they put in the work,and contributed to the AA community.
All that being said you DON'T want to be Labeled AA when you're successful, you DONT want to contribute to the AA community, then why claim it at all?

stake in what game?
when did I say I wasn't black?
the rest of this stuff is just absurd. you actually think about things like this?
yeah I'd say you're clearly pretty upset
you okay, sis?

seems like you're wielding a pretty large brush with the last two lines.


I'm proudly black but why would I want to be an African American if I'm not? Your train of thought doesn't really make sense.

 

[kayslay]

POST #1

#128



Re: Im Not a African..Long Rant

Originally Posted by Old Christine
Oh, shut up. You're the butthurt roach, you dumb bytch. I go into threads that I know are about Black Americans, where I know Black Americans will be attacked and THAT'S IT. I don't go into any other African thread. I literally ignore the African forum because it bores me. No offense, but I truly have no interest in anything y'all do. I don't say that to be mean, I just don't. I don't even visit the African Diaspora forum because it's not for BAs either.

So if you're tired of seeing me, put me on ignore. Simple.

Originally posted by DELTA's Finest

I was talking to my fiancé about this the other day.

I really dont get along with them (Africans). I dont like them at all quite honestly. They come across as braggarts, pretentious, pompous, condescending and degrading.

In theory, I like to believe I am Pan African, but coming across them in reality - they are quite disgusting, to me. And this sort of confirms it.

None of them debate objectively, they overload you with obtuse facts. Theyll bring out powerpoints, misinformation, and country advertisement - anything but an analytical mind.


They are extremely daft when it comes to racism. They have no clue beyond a fragmented filtered concept of what racism could possibly be, not even a hint of its possible affects. Dont dare engage them beyond superficial and glib facts. And because of that, they have no real understanding of causal relationships. Listen real closely to how they explain the conditions of their countries. Then ask them to draw a comparative analysis to the affects of white supremacy. You will end up arguing until you are blue! They are quite an embarrassment to me - yet theyll have you think that because YOUR culture has a bit of poverty and crime - the same variables that occur in THEIR countries - ten fold, even - that somehow, with AAs that it is embedded - as if they have an African utopia.

Which leads me to their obsession with the poorest of us: most of them pick on the impoverished group of AAs, and they then use that as a measurement to judge an entire race; they sound quite republican. Just listen to them. And because they are THAT daft - I wouldnt be surprised if they didnt start endorsing tea party activists. They are so bizarre in real life. I went to school with a few. They find the poorest story, the biggest crime to justify their EUROCENTRIC viewpoint of us. "See look at those akatas". Im telling you they remind me of tea party bigots. I see it a lot on twitter; I wasnt expecting it on here.

Which leads me to this: The tainted theory that they LOVEEE to present - they just love to say that we are these tainted westerners - who has some how magically lost our way, like they werent complicit, wtf, when every country, with the exception of three, I believe was WESTERN - run by imperialist, in fact - their colonialization process did more damage to them than us. Dont believe me? Talk about Whites and landownership.


They import tribalism into whatever space they are in, and then insert that sort of framework or logic into every conversation. If they werent trying to bully us - theyd be actively fighting one another: ghanaians vs nigerians..yet theyve found common ground: lets fight a group that we feel culturally superior too - WHILE being on a site that I was told was black. Lets do that all day. Ive went through quite a few posts in this area - mouth agape, before I finally decided to respond to this one.


They skew stats to present a false equivalent - just not logical, at all. "We are the best in ivy leagues", they almost always fail to do a true comparison with statistical data: if your population is LOWER than African Americans, it would stand to reason that your stats SHOULD be higher, but the ratio is what truly counts in this type of scenario. So for example, if there is a 2 million pop. of Africans - and the stats are indicative of who attended ivy leagues out of the entire population, it would stand to reason that your stats will be higher - than our stats because we are pulling from a larger pool. And they only have us by 10 percent, which may do wonders for the ego - but is totally suggesting that they are underperforming. Them: 2 million pop. Us: 40 million, might want to get something else to brag about.

Then they have this schizophrenic relationship, yet extremely hypocritical relationship with Africa, on one hand - they scream and shrill about how Africa is self sufficient, how Africa is this mighty land - at the first sign of a crisis, such as Ebola for an example - they are running around whining about needing a cure. So, I say: pick which Africa you want to present to the world - this gallant, self sufficient giant - that has the purest pristine culture in the world..with ZERO crimes, prostitution, drug trafficking - needing no western help..OR? The Africa that is a braggart yet cant get its footing in front of itself properly..and instead of insulting themselves, pick and choose which populations they feel superior to - the poorest economic socio-strata in the AA community..because thats who they are comparing themselves to. No, theyd never go against Shonda Rhimes or any other black successful person, or a Michelle Obama - but note, they never say they are happy that shes AA..Like we do for their Mandelas. Want to find delusional hypocrites? Africans. Oh, and dont think they just do this to us. I went to England a year ago, found them trashing the Jamaicans there..and the other island. They remind me of whites who have a severly delusional superiority complex.

Yet not quite superior enough to leave the countries that they hate: america and england.

Another thing that they do, they are hell bent - hell bent on comparing THEIR population with ours, again -false equivalents- instead of comparing themselves with homogenous populations such as China, also in leadership. They dont even have the balls to compare themselves with the islands outright - they choose MINORITY populations ..both in america and england to pounce upon. So this feel good activity is amusing to me.


Background: Before anyone says that I dont know what Im talking about - or that Im too poor to be in this conversation - (knowing that this is the only language that they speak) I am a fourth generation Delta, I am from an upper middle class family (so no, they cant pull the she is so ghetto or she is so jealous), my father is a VERY successful general surgeon at a trauma unit, so believe you - me, Ive had loads of encounters with them - specifically Nigerians - there were two internists that were under my dad. One incident I will never forget: my dad said - this Nigerian didnt want to speak to him.. - my father spoke, he walked right by thought my father was an assistant, yet this nigerian galloped over to the white guy who WAS IN FACT THE ZPA -- and had to backstep and apologize for ignoring my father, after the white guy said: "no he is the surgeon"..

I truthfully think when immigration reform comes around - they need to be deported. Have we received reparations? Yet they get foreign aid AND a trip here. Ive even heard, "We need to stop African Americans" - no one has asked them to - and Im sure you can stop. What reaaaallllllly got me was when one was listening to reggae music (in london) and said he hated Jamaicans. Utter idiots.

The cultural gap is quite large, and it is not simply because we as a group dont do as I just had to do (flash) to prove that Im just as worthy - no other Diasporian group does this at the middle to upper class, culturally - tribalism is embedded even at a socioeconomic level. Our flashy new money Diddys are liked but not revered. Their president buys ten cars and gold iphones and they dont see that as lewd, obnoxious, obscene and disgusting.

Finally, you will hear them cry about us calling them names (booty scratcher) based upon our ignorance - truthfully, they should be grateful that we didnt murder all of them when they arrived - based on their complicit and in some cases DIRECT hand in our enslavement. Documentation shows this, even by their own kings. Yet you dont see many of us still whining about this - in fact, many of us place most of the blame squarely on the white man. In essence, they are prancing around an environment that was built on our blood, and they have NO - NO shame..and no sense of allegiance, because they dont get race. They do get tribe though.

So no: I dont like them. Also, if they want to shame us about our social behaviors, I will use that same measurement: I dont like their 30 wives policy, their clit mutilation, their penchant for eating monkeys, their quilt like patch work gowns, and the slop that they call rice.

P.S. Dont let the Africans (collectively you are from there and therefore spare all of us the "we are not a country whining") stop you from going to a continent that your ancestors were sold from - stolen from, they dont pass their own purity test - they sure cant place one on you (any of us). Our ancestors were AFRICANS who were enslaved - not slaves that deserved to be stolen, sold, or brutalized.

P.S.S. I thought from the shared link on facebook that this was an African American board - how on earth are they dominating this area without any other user feeling comfortable enough to post or say anything - even as it relates to our ancestors? We as African Americans always move over if someone takes our space. Block them - talk about what you think Pan African should be (I am only good at giving a conceptual theory) - but, whatever. I was surprised that after coming to the Black History forum and coming here I found this. But since they are in control by post count - Im sorta not so surprised; it is everything that they are at home: tribal and obstinate.

Disappointing but I am glad that I found this thread! It shows me right away, who to block and stay away from. This will be the last thread I comment in, unless one of us - or someone else from the diaspora makes one.

Whew. They are disgusting in here!!

 

[kayslay]

stake in what game?
when did I say I wasn't black?
the rest of this stuff is just absurd. you actually think about things like this?
yeah I'd say you're clearly pretty upset
you okay, sis?

seems like you're wielding a pretty large brush with the last two lines.


I'm proudly black but why would I want to be an African American if I'm not? Your train of thought doesn't really make sense.

you're extremely dense,its almost sad.


uh yeah, i think of the future of MY community. why would i not?
i dont know why i even bothered especially after a warning from @lotty
youre clearly daft and couldnt comprehend my post. but thank you because your ignorance just proved my point!

 

[88m3]

you're extremely dense,its almost sad.


uh yeah, i think of the future of MY community. why would i not?
i dont know why i even bothered especially after a warning from @lotty
youre clearly daft and couldnt comprehend my post. but thank you because you clearlyjust proved my point!

I honestly think you're nuts.

For what it's worth you proved my first post in this thread correct.

 

[kayslay]

I honestly think you're nuts.

For what it's worth you proved my first post in this thread correct.

your post had NOTHING to do with the topic.
you never had an angle. you just want to stir up drama!

 

[kayslay]

POST #2

Originally Posted by EatCake
The crazy part about it AAs that go to Africa never have this problem.
Its always the Africans who werent born/raised on the continent who try and police African-ness.
Then turn around and get offended if an AA calls themselves Black and doesnt want to be associated with Africa.
Its really a strange phenomenon

That's precisely why I dont think that they should be allowed here. Only the ones that were in the first diaspora - ancestors who were enslaved - should be allowed in the United States. Because of our pan african history - malcolm x, those who still follow Marcus Garveys tenets - we feel obligated to seek some sort of validation from them - that we belong. I believe that we would be doing our ancestors a disservice to gleefully try to seek partnership with many of them who directly benefited from the slave trade (west africans) and those who benefit indirectly (east africans) - remigrating post slavery - after we built not just countries but economic systems.

I mentioned Jamaicans in the other thread as an example - but I will expand it further - the caribbeans had sugar plantations that contributed to the English empire. Their system was purposefully depressed, forcing many to go to England in the early 40s - some were there, earlier than that. Then there were a variety of different African groups that came - post the infrastructure being built by the caribbeans AND the social justice rights - movements and laws created as a result of them fighting for the caribbean community's rights in England. Africans come along - then, not even an apology in some cases ...and had the same disgusting attitude that they have about our poor. If you visit there, one time - you will find the disgusting remarks that they say about them - and others.

Example: Jamaicans are fatherless, Jamaicans women are whores who are at the clubs more than they are at home. I mean a ton. But what gets me is not the snobbery, but the audacity.

The tension isnt as explicit - but it is there. So I found, in my short stay -

Nigerians talked crap about Jamaicans
Somalians talked crap about the Haitians
Ethiopians hated a group

My takeaway? Worry about the diaspora, thats it.

They cant tell us the method in which we research to find out more about our ancestors - many of them will never know who we are because their record systems werent implemented in many areas. Sudan has a good record system, meaning a long standing archive - a few more MAY have records -- but they regarded us - at least our ancestors as disposable in the first place. Why on earth do we expect any cultural shift within them is beyond me? Sure - there were a handful that were remorseful, a king or two even asked for the slave trade to end. But many of them are benefactors of the slave trade as well.

Im quite sure South Africa would prove me wrong about saying the definitive ALL AFRICANS LEFT are not equipped to understand racism - because they had apartheid - so I mean, Im sure (South Africans) they get it - much more than any of the rest -- but the rest of them are ill equipped to even discuss our journey towards reconciliation for our ancestors because not only were their ancestors complicit, they too CURRENTLY benefit from our ancestors enslavement. The Caribbeans built England. And we built America. And they show up to both places without a care in the world, no regard, and they dont care.

To them - it is something that happened in the past. To us, it is ongoing - what impacts Haiti today, impacted Haiti yesterday (when their Haitian ancestors first arrived). They hypocritically want everyone to get over it - yet have managed to pitch from the 80s on that a starving Africa needs help - with Western medias help of course. So as we evaluate their poor infrastructure, their rapes, their prostitution, their high unemployment and literacy rate - we are forced to see Africa with a sympathetic lens - "oh those poor africans" - just look at the ebola narrative.. yet as the same social ills impact us - due to DIRECT racism, they get to blame it on our culture. Not only are they receiving an abundance of foreign aid - whether it gets to them or not, thats not the point - the point is that they received AID to rebuild an infrastructure to rebuild their systems - we never received ANYthing, so there is certainly and absolutely no comparison in regards to our socioeconomic status - but they do it everyday (on twitter - they followed me and I followed back, and Im like ok - now whet?!); why they seek to draw any comparison is actually beyond me, but. And the issue with them is not that they are angry about name calling in high school, the issue is that they are delusional enough to believe in a cultural superiority simply because they werent enslaved - like tapping on a piece of wood and calling it a xylophone is going to make me better - because Im closer to some fictitious root. Please. Culture is created and destroyed. African Americans have created a rich culture here. Celebrate our brethern and sisters in the Islands, our own - and continue to fight for position here.

None of the things they do - including living in modern huts is a turn on. I celebrate where my African ancestors came from - know that our mighty lineage all leads to the first origin of life in Sudan..and yet, still celebrate what we are doing as AA here. Their ranking of us - and acceptance of us, when they cant get out of a paper bag with a flashlight, means nothing.

I tell this story to anyone (the following) partly because Im still shocked, partly to illustrate my point. So a good friend of mine moved to England - she is Jamaican, this is why I know what Im talking about regarding Jamaica. So, she lives in a place called Birmingham - nice little area. They call themselves brummies? I dont remember, will have to find out tonight. So anyways, we manage to trek to London and are at this bar - sort of upscale. Anyways. Two guys approach us, cool accents. Im taken - she isnt, so we let them sit down. They raged on and on about various cultures. I mean on and on! She finally says: OH MY DAYS (which means oh my God - to us in the states) IM fukkING JAMAICAN YOU LITTLE fukkS. They talked about Jamaicans, African Americans - this group, that group. They assumed that she was African. Im not sure with me - as they downplayed the insults, but the insults were in fact crazy!! (Its funnier probably if you were there - but she blurted it out so loud lol)

I asked her to put it into context - and she said they were like this for awhile, gave me the historical context that I presented above - and said that they both hated one another equally..but some married, even though the Nigerian mothers thought the Jamaican men and women were useless.

I come back to the U.S. and they (the africans) use the same sort of tactics of belittlement to attack the poor within our community. In fact, you know that article that many of then float around re: Africans superior achievement over the black natives - she said they had the same sort if article that they float there - every year.

So, for me, to get closure for my ancestors - doesnt need their approval, at all!

And Im not a fan of a group that gets to pitch poverty porn - "the westerners need to help" in one instance, ending up quite blameless for every illy formed government created...yet at the same time - not only complain that Europeans destabilized them but not use that same sense of logic or analysis when assessing the poorest of us? Suddenly we dont have the impeccable morals that they have (when some have raped babies, beat up old women, burn tires and placed it around their necks - even going so far as having some prostitutes speak out about ebola, implying that it was hurting their revenue -- some morals).

So in theory, Im a fan of Nkrumah, loved Marcus Garveys model - loved Malcolm Xs model, yet thats as far as I go.

To me, we should stop trying to make amends with this phantom sort of relationship. In my humble opinion, we should financially support Haiti - as she was our first ally, Barbados..they are great - they produce people like Sir Hilary Beckles (see their reparation proposal, a great man - I had the pleasure of meeting him one time: brilliant) - be with those that get racism and global white supremacy. And although we may not agree with our brethern from the Islands - all the time, they are far better than Africans, to me. Id take being trapped in the room with someone from Grenada who possibly knows doctrine about Maurice Bishop vs any one of them. Id have no hair left with them, they seem so illogical, to me - daft and confused, especially regarding global politics! Especially! Look at the paternal role that China has taken over there, with very little resistance.

Also, each one of their countries are homogenous in a sense that they are all black, yet because they are tribal - they operate heterogeneously, I dont think that we will ever understand that - ever. Our goal is to ultimately come together, culturally - they are fine with being competitive against one geographical group. Racism forced us to come together.

Oh, and a trip that is worth it for more than historical reasons - London. I didnt get a chance to meet Leo Muhammad when I was there, but youtubed him - he is a modern Malcolm X for England. You guys would love their accents, the blacks there are politically conscious, and their sarcasm and as they call it - banter is great. Lets do stuff like that, and let them worry about which group that they seek to demean and compare themselves to - while we sort out our ancestors stuff, WITHOUT their permission.

Check out Sir Beckles book, my guy told me about it. Read it, met him - he has an eternal fan: me lol!!

Amazon.com: Britain's Black Debt: Reparations for Caribbean Slavery and Native Genocide (9789766402686): Hilary McD Beckles: Books

Amazon.com: Britain's Black Debt: Reparations for Caribbean Slavery and Native Genocide (9789766402686): Hilary McD Beckles: Books

Also, Ill try to find Leo Muhammads youtube, he played in a television show called Eastenders there. Shoot, I tried to find the exact video when he was like "no mr white man you dont need to hug me" - I have to go but I do have his twitterhttps://mobile.twitter.com/Edutainman that Im following.

Oh and when they try to shame us, I go on and on about how truly messed up Africans are - in Africa - until theyre quiet - on twitter. I link them to their own news stories, it works like a charm.Last edited by Deltas Finest; 11-13-2014 at 03:23 AM. Reason: Added book, looking for Leos youtube

 

[Naijan]

I'm not upset though.
why does everyone assume I'm angry because i have a difference of opinion?
anyway, I just told you, our well being and that of our descendents.
the American Dream for an American and that of an immigrant are different.
As I told you before you all don't have the same stake in the game.
That isn't something you say to a kid that is reality.
AA is an ethnic group NOT a race. Just as when i go on vacation in Jamaica it doesn't make me Caribbean.
If you aren't with us you're against us its really that simple. And Black immigrants have shown that they are INDEED in competition NOT alliance with AAs.
Its fine for a Jamaican or Nigerian involved in thuggery to get called an AA but if one of the latter gets a degree, oh now its time to make a distinction.
Same with President Obama he was just considered an AA but the minute he's a success now he's BiRacial , Now he's Kenyan. Even though those same groups threw him to the bushes on the come up but now all of he success is attributed to the fact that He ISNT AA even though his success is LARGELY due to the AA community. but i digress....
Difference between Black immigrants or today and those of yesteryear is they put in the work,and contributed to the AA community.
All that being said you DON'T want to be Labeled AA when you're successful, you DONT want to contribute to the AA community, then why claim it at all?

lol it's fine when a nigerian is involved in thuggery? We are called AA when we do something bad?
When was the last time AA were know for fraud, 419 or any of that stuff. Your always here others including AAs saying shyt like africans are known for fraud or not to trust them, so stop with all that bull shyt. Also on Obama AAs also said he wasn't really black because he ancestry wasn't that of slaves and he wasn't really black, so fall back on that too.

 

[kayslay]

Post #3
PART A

Re: Can you claim Africa if...

Originally Posted by GloriousMane06
@deltasFinest: Red Woman's observation is what bothers me about your posts. I won't lie (even though that is bound to elicit even more groans my way in the future but I'm used to it anyway because I tend to be blunt), some of your points actually have validity to them, imo. Being of Haitian descent but having been heavily involved with Africans socially (and having been married to one), I feel I have somewhat of an understanding of the differences in outlook and cultural takes in people from the African diaspora versus people with more recent affiliations with Africa (born in Africa or 1rst generation Westerners).


But your antagonistic approach and obvious resentment and anger towards Africans kind of obscures whatever insightful observation you may have. We have different cultural takes, different histories and therefore different ways in which we view this world we inhabit. It's an issue that we need to work towards as black people cohabiting in the West because we all need to learn to pool our resources and look at our collective well-being through a new lens, one that is better adapted to our survival as minorities within an overwhelmingly white context.


Your anger doesn't help that at all, as you end up being guilty of the very thing that you accuse others of, which is depreciating other people's cultures. And when you start off like that, you make any kind of constructive debate impossible. But perhaps you don't care about that and then again, some things are damn near impossible to debate civilly on LSA anyway, so...
Your posts could have (maybe?) fostered some interesting discussion if they weren't so venomous in tone. Just saying.

Hey Sister! Nice to meet you Haitian sister!

A couple of disclaimers,

(1) Let me start off by saying that in no way shape or form am I trying to make every African American view the following the way that I do, nor am I trying to persuade the Caribbean family.

(2) Ive pretty much blocked every African user on this forum - so if they engage this post, they will be ignored. I neither like them nor do I respect them. And I do not think that they deserve the leniency, sympathy, benefit and/or courtesy that has been given to them for more than 500 years and post slavery.

(3) I appreciate the reasonable effort that you put forth to counter my sentiments. However the following isnt a pitch, an argument - but mere reasons...and truthfully, I am honestly thankful for your compliments - I believe that you articulate yourself quite well, actually (from viewing your previous post) - you appear to be thoughtful and fair. I am also thankful that you intervened and tried to pull me to the side - we as a community need much more of that.

(4) Hopefully after these statements, in another thread I can learn more about your culture. I probably wont revisit this. Im woefully stubborn that way. I like to believe that I have a lot of self restraint, high tolerance - but, once Im done - baby Jesus couldnt intervene lol.

Historical context: I come from a long line of staunchly invested civil rights activist(s) - so I take race and racism as it impacts African Americans, the rest of the diasporians - extremely seriously. I do not pretend to speak for all of black America. I mean I could go on and on - but my grand aunt - I am really proud to say.. was one of the first professors at spelman university; it is an all black female HBCU located in the heart of atlanta. So I have a fierce loyalty to my community, generation - after - generation of black struggle and pride. I also, like you, dont like petty condescending bullies - no matter who they are. But I definetly dont like people that are dismissive of my ancestors and the African American community.

So here goes girl:

 

[kayslay]

POST #3
PART B

So here goes girl:

I will start off with these two tweets:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Marrakechmole
"I heard from my Nigerian sister that they hate so-called black American people and they call them "Akata". Don't shoot the messenger."

{Youll see what I mean later - but these idiots follow black Americans and are shocked that we found out what their insult means:

https://mobile.twitter.com/__Coco_lee
"No Akata should be allow to know the meaning of "Akata" .... We shall not die today#AfricanFollowTrain "}



I see your point, I really do. I am not trying to convince you of anything, or any group for that matter - even my own ethnic group. But, I am pretty resolved now - if the group is not of the transatlantic diaspora, I dont want to hear them even whisper a thought.

So, I will share my opinion(s) exclusively to you. I understand that you perhaps might have a vantage point that sees both sides, and dont think that Im dismissing your experiences ---

But their behavior towards African Americans really is quite disgusting; just have a sincere and thorough look at this very forum (Ill tell you how this came about - probably in another thread), you will find that it is an actual microcosm of how they behave offline , and for me coupled with witnessing offline bigotry, their backhanded compliments, along with their social media behavior, and to top it off their political indifference - I think that they should all be deported or stay in Africa, quite frankly.

Why?

I dont see how they get away with getting a billion in aid, have some of the highest illiteracy rates in the world, have a poverty gap that is obscene, murder and rape women as a past time - yet somehow get rewarded financially for their despicable behavior, and then feign pity from the rest of the world, while simultaneously believing that somehow their culturally superior to everyone that wasnt born and remaining in Africa? And, Simultaneously believing this delusion that they are somehow more brilliant - than African Americans and every other social group that they can prop themselves up against to feel some sort of temporary ego boost - while every other instance they are met with an instability that threatens to destabilize not just countries but regions? They somehow are delusional enough to think that their prostitution, infidelity, child rapes, thievery, political corruption, educational scheming i.e. cheating on tests to the point that testing centers are not in certain areas..that somehow they are better than the rest of us? As though their poverty is somehow distinctly separated from their physical bodies? As though their ineptness is somehow not born from their minds? As though it is a cultural fluke that in some cases villages have 2% literacy rates? As though when their fathers abandon them to go to other families that he isnt a dead beat daddy? Somehow they think that celebrating Islam and holstering up a modern version of Christianity is not white? As though arabic domination, belgium domination, italian domination, and every other western country - somehow didnt make them remotely western? As though going to England and typing on a western made (anything) - somehow because they remember how to sew a garment that their minds arent totally western? Are you kidding me? Virtually every government they have is presently modeled after a western model, including their judiciary division - they have british wigs in some countries - but, no, they arent western?

Yet, not only do they believe this insane self delusion as a group, they celebrate it to the point of embarrassment. They dont have the international decency to use their collective power to check on any group outside of their immediate families. In fact, when Gaddafis regime fell, I believe that a group of us were more concerned with the rape of Nigerian women, than they were. Do you know the response that I got on twitter? "Thats a shame". So this level of self absorbed indifference isnt just presented when we arrive - it is embedded in their culture. And for that reason, I will go further below - I dont see us (AA) blindly following them simply because we crave some sense of closure for our ancestors.


Further, I don't quite get why we as AAs are still being conciliatory - at all. They are here - on our land - and they can mockingly claim that this isnt our land all day - every inch, every space, every piece was designed by us: industrial revolution and all, I don't care if they believe that we are mere slaves or not, they can leave and take the europeans that they adore - with them. My ancestors not only built the institutions with sweat equity, we maintained the institutions so that we could relearn the basics of reading.. not to mention that we continue to create systems that unilaterally benefits any other minority group that touches this soil. And these efforts arent merely historical - these are efforts that are continuously fought for:

Voting Rights Acts; it is our community leaders that not only created the legislation, pushed the legislation, created institutions to maintain the legislation - we are currently fighting to ensure that we dont lose the legislation, with the help of no one (not one sitting African president/leader/social group or org)

Affirmative Actions: again the creation, the delivery and the maintenance comes from our community.

Mike Brown
Renisha McBride

 

[kayslay]

POST#3
PART C

Affirmative Actions: again the creation, the delivery and the maintenance comes from our community.

Mike Brown
Renisha McBride

And so many others - it is the AA community that seeks to leverage our political weight, might, and strategies - and where are the African presidents on any of these issues? Post slavery, besides Haiti, Barbados, Jamaica - and the rest of the islands who dont have half of their resources - but still jointly stand up - where were the African countries that were concerned with our well being? Any of ours? Their main concerns were to educate their own - AT OUR AA HBCUS - (even now when they donate it is primarily to support their own base - no sense of moral or ethical obligation of restitution..THEIR presidents came to our hbcus, once gaining independence - this includes a Nigerian President AND a Ghanaian president. But, I dont recall a commission, an investigation, not so much as a challenge being brought to the UN seeking reparations on our behalf. You want to know who fought with us? I will tell you who supported us: the carribeans, the cubans, the mexicans. In fact, it is utterly SHAMEFUL that a president from Venezuela has to state that hed send relief when Hurricane Katrina took place. It is DISGUSTING that only superficial place holder titles of inclusion by the AU is extended. Where is the investigating committee to review the Michael Brown case? Or any racial violence case? Where were they in partnership to investigate our lynchings, even our modern ones? In fact, why does CARICOM have to plead without a unified subsaharan? They cant even agree on how wrong slavery was? Or are they expecting us to get over it? While the first sign of social inequities presented - they cry, whine, and pout - and ask where is their aid? Where is their ebola help? Weve had more feed the children campaigns -more conflict diamond alert (from michael jackson to the currently ineffective Kanye West): where are our songs?

They come here for tourism and education for merely their respective TRIBES - ascension, not even their respective countries..not even their respective local govs...as their political economies are dominated and run by tribal leaders - they dont come here to partner. They come here to hide in ethnic enclaves, ironically to merely to talk about the west, whine about their former African governments all the while trying to swallow this fabricated narrative that they somehow are pristine and culturally superior to the rest of the world, WHILE getting the benefits of our ongoing struggle? Yet ironically being dismissive of and denying the benefits from our social models; this includes the Hispanics who has used our social model, the gay community now uses our social model.

Imagine if I came to Haiti (I use Jamaica because I have more friends and thus context) but just imagine me - fleeing my country, to come to your country and talk crap about who you are and what you are all day...on a website that says- at the site index: FOR HAITIAN SISTERS AROUND THE WORLD..


Just as Haiti and Jamaica shared with the world revolution and guerrilla warfare...we have created a social space that is now palatable for every minority group that comes, what if a group of AAs came to live in your social space - hated everything about you, but appropriated EVERY cultural creation that your culture makes. Like whites, they like performing black (ie using our slang: ohhh girlll you got dragggggged..ohhh girlllll you got readdd), they like absorbing any beneficial cultural achievement - yet they dont want to be black.

And they can go back and forth in regards to the age old booty scratchers - the only people we owe an apology to are haitians. And I will issue mine to you on our behalf - after my explanation...

For me, I no longer see Africa or Africans as an ally or possible strategic political partners. And I will tell you in details why, with no intentions of trying to persuade you, at all.

Cultural Chasms:

1. Slavery and racism has created and given us a different and quite distinctive social personality than any other group. They are not incentivized to unite Africa, nor are they motivated to. Their perspectives on race or a better illustration on their idea of unity would be akin to the european union model a loosely temporal unit - partnerships based on convenience/taste/preference but not out of necessity. African Americans and the rest of the diaspora (the Island) has a cultural incentive, even at our worse baseline performances to be united. You can here it in our songs, our stories, our political discussions. And, I dont think there is any other race or ethnic group that has this embedded in our culture aside from jews and palestinians. Horrific events can create different or mutate cultures to uniquely respond to their environment like no other group. Because of this, they dont have a dominant drive to go beyond fixing their own backyard - thats why I believe pan africanism fails every time.

2. They dont see racism and white supremacy as causations to ongoing social ills when it comes to races outside their own backyard. Sure. They can see it for themselves, they talk about how the borders has created tribal warfare, I mean - they have a long line of Western excuses - but that application and empathy is only extended to themselves. Somehow they are too idiotic to see that those in the belly of the beast - might be brutalized more. This key issue will forever separate me from them. If you can only understand causation when it happens to your group, and expect some sort of alliance with you: bring back our girls, ebola - but are silent on issues like Mike Brown?

3. They are gaudy and obscene - slave trade inc. Their materialism is void of humanity. Ive never met a middle class or educated upper class individual in our culture that believes bragging every moment of their lives is a sign of wealth and power. You will see in our culture, we will say: man, you are doing too much...or thats new money. We even hate our preachers that are obscene and obnoxious about money. This sort of flashy competitiveness - doesnt foster community alliances, it really is disgusting to our culture. If you arent hood rich, which we excuse - and you are a sitting senator -- and you are not only boldacious about your wealth, you try to find people who are poor so you can feel better? This may be a trivial point but when you stop liking someone - - in this case group -- you start noticing everything. See my twitter statement to get why this bugs. They are benefiting from slavery without a care- before and now. And you have the nerve to think that once you come to America, England, or anywhere else we were transported - we were supposed to welcome you with open eyes? The Caribbeans built England and we built America, period. So to demean groups because you suddenly managed to learn how to use the guns that you sold us all for is unbelievable. It really is. I think that my trip to London (birmingham in fact) - that really sold the deal. I couldnt believe that they were so crude about other nationalities that their ancestors sold..and to be proud that you were never enslaved but your countries still resemble tin like legos with garbage and feces in some places throughout the streets...where are our reparations? You know some tried to justify this holocaust with reasons you wouldnt believe - with no data. Because oh by the way, they werent smart enough to record it.

Do you think that Im done?

The cumulation has made me say: so you are disgusted with us? Im disgusted with Africa.

So, I havent began to mention the passive aggressive slights:

- When being introduced, "oh shes not only cute - she doesnt act african american"
- When discussing my culture without any sort of invitation, "I forgot you guys dont have a culture"
- When discussing our communities, "you guys shouldnt be like that on tv so others wont think of you like that" -- meanwhile, again - with the sick double consciousness -- they have a film industry called nollywood that has nothing but explicit sex. I mean.
-Ive already mentioned the time that my father was trying to introduce himself, the guy thought black american, black american name and didnt bother to read further!



Lets talk twitter...

I joined - I follow a lot of people are there I assume. Ive said exactly what Im saying here on there. Somehow - Nigerian men want to follow me to tell me that if I wasnt an akata, that Id make a good wife - Im engaged.

But lets back up, the first time that I got a clue of the name a Ghanaian woman said that she didnt want to call black ppl Akatas anymore that it was wrong. I retweeted and asked huh? I got 50 rts explaining just how long theyve been bashing, who has been bashing - so forth. Let me tell you. One day, just out of curiosity, I put the word on search on hootsuite or tweetdeck web? I was on there, Id say 6 hrs watching the newsstream? They talked about us ALL-DAY-LONG. You know how whites are obsessed with us (blacks) - they seemed obsessed! And like here, they followed americans twitter accounts - saying that they hate that we found out the word.

What they said in association to us is too long, it is I believe the most derogatory commentary about AAs - like you wouldnt believe. However, the fact that they have dedicated their hours and days. And their pitch to keep dating within their own group? "No akata can give you what I can.." Research it as a social experiment, I did. I sent it off to a guy. Im baffled honestly - not by the dislike - but the dedication of hate: so dedicated, like white dedication is so bizarre. They hover around us like bees - on here, in London - Jamaicans...other Caribbeans but go on some delusional moral ground when they discuss our social issues?

 

[kayslay]

POST#3
PART D

They had this nurse, she is from TX.
She stated that she wishes all Akatas were all dead.

My thing is this: as long as youre bold enough to let me know - and hopefully the users on this board doesnt mix with us - I am fine. But, I would never financially support in any capacity - a group of ppl that hate me and my culture. And I certainly dont want them here.

Their Outwardly displays of aggression and disgust:

In addition, do you think that it is just their ill formed calculus, their slights in london to one of my best friends, the disrespect to my ancestors, the slights on the internet is all? No. These idiots are actually dumb enough to aggressively verbally attack black men on train stations: boston and new york.

Were the guys wrong for reacting in such a way? Yes. But do you know what this lady said to him? Her family hates African Americans - told her to stay away from African Americans. In the recent train incident in New York, the African lady was said to roll her eyes hit his pregnant girlfriend - and he ignorantly exploded. But, these idiots can leave.

Lets talk ebola:

This crisis took away from our media time from Mike Browns protestors and our ongoing social justice fight. This man selfishly left Liberia, jeopardizing our nurses (AA) - our community and compromising our social strategy regarding media time for Mike Brown. Suddenly, ebola was racism, something weve been saying for years. Oh no. Then, racism became real - when it impacted them. Then they utilized an African American to gain settlement from the hospital? And when asked to join the Mike Brown fight, some silly imbecile told me - he shouldve just stopped and that she cant be bothered. Guess where this dummy is from? Please.


Finally, before I issue my apologies to you - lets just take a look at their poverty and crime - the dream like Africa with no social ills and no poor people that theyve imagined:

Suddenly stories of morality, laziness, and ineptness isnt attributed to daft incompetent Africans? Is that the pitch we are to accept? While they berate us with remarks attached to our culture..

Do they have a culture of poverty?
Do they have a culture of economic incompetence?
Are they not politically savvy enough? Are they too lazy?
What about their impeccable morals?
What about saying that they dont have dead beat fathers - them and their superior culture? Foh.

Ask yourself why are they given excuses on a self contained black space, yet minority groups in america and on the islands in a volatile white spaces are not given any?

http://www.bendbulletin.com/nation/2...on?entryType=0


http://www.timeslive.co.za/africa/20...ng-in-ethiopia

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/201...nd-un-step-in/


http://www.takepart.com/article/2014...thiopia-report

http://mynorthwest.com/76/2643777/A-...ing-in-Seattle


http://www.wikisexguide.com/wiki/Addis_Ababa

http://diretube.com/mobile/etv-speci...edb760d52.html

http://achillepiotrowicz.photoshelte...000JOE8omt6w4k

http://allafrica.com/stories/201406090710.html

http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=298

http://minbab.com/archive/11925

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Africa

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-...1-1286557.aspx

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...e/1455354.html

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-30686879.html

http://allafrica.com/stories/201408200521.html

http://www.gistmania.com/talk/topic,60473.0.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-sixth.html


http://www.naij.com/276875-prostitut...ent-ebola.html

http://www.gistmania.com/talk/topic,63847.0.html

http://os.care2.com/all/10-countries...in-the-world#2

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/...icking/194007/

http://www.supplymanagement.com/news...e-order-frauds


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1490685

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-mouth-3183944

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dead-...90978420986114

http://www.postcolonialweb.org/nigeria/contwomen.html

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/jil...s-lament-fate/

http://www.lailasblog.com/2014/10/wh...r-8-years.html

http://www.cknnigeria.com/2013/04/fu...ood-actor.html

http://diretube.com/mobile/9news/eth...0a983fcdb.html

And this can be done for every country on the continent, as poverty, illiteracy, homelessness, continues to soar. Should I blame their culture? What about their mothers? What about their dead beat fathers? Or should we blame the west?



Kenyan woman and her sentiments:

http://afri-culture.com/archives/10786

So, to me? They can start the self deportation process.


Before I forget - because Im sort of jumping around - yea? lol!!

I really wanted to extend my deepest apologies to you and your family for any verbal abuse that a member of my community lodged at you. I have my theories but my theories would come across as justification and dismissiveness - and thats not what I want to do.


Finally, I do think that the transatlantic diaspora group should be able to come to the US, in fact I wish more would come here. I do NOT think that people that are registered as a country, ancestors did not experience slavery (our kind), and have a country listed military by international definitions have a right to any access to places that we built with our blood.


And therefore, I think that black people who hold on to this phantom relationship with Africans are doing themselves a disservice - we could be partnering with those that have assisted us in our darkest moments instead of spending money on genealogy tests to try to connect with people that thought that our ancestors were disposable in the first place. They cant talk about NO one that has ancestors that experienced slavery - none! I dont want an opinion on toilet paper from them!

They dont have the right to talk about anyyyyy other black person, be it AA to Grenadians....not one black soul!

How the Caribbean family deal with them is on them - but I know how I will deal with them from here on in.

See you sis


FYI: to tag me, use a space! I got the msg because you replied with my quote! I dont want to miss out on the artists - fashion et al.

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@lotty

 

[kayslay]

lol it's fine when a nigerian is involved in thuggery? We are called AA when we do something bad?
When was the last time AA were know for fraud, 419 or any of that stuff. Your always here others including AAs saying shyt like africans are known for fraud or not to trust them, so stop with all that bull shyt. Also on Obama AAs also said he wasn't really black because he ancestry wasn't that of slaves and he wasn't really black, so fall back on that too.

Fall back?
AAs called him out on NOT being AA once he showed that he didn't possess an AA consciousness.
Which i place the blame for that on my people for letting non AAs pass. We have to be more tribal, if you will.
Slavesi notice when ever africans bring up AAs they absolutely LOVE to throw that slave word around.
I know he isnt of AA ancestry and it shows, trust.
Regardless of his genetic makeup, is his success NOT due to the support of the AA community?
Hell they even had Biracials and Africans rallying for McCain.
Im talking about the Black immigrants who commit crimes here in the U.S.
You KNOW that whenever an immigrant child gets to acting up either in school or the streets they are accused of imitating American kids aka AAs.
Just as the majority of crime in NYC Florida and equal parts African/ AAs in DC but is blamed on AAs even though AAs are a minority in those states.
They act as if they are above crime. When their respective countries have high crime rates.
I said thuggery, not fraud.
Several Nigerians & Caribbeans have been HEAVY in the drug ring.