Do Black GOPers even care about their brand at this point?

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Truth of the matter, OP, is that before the Obama years, the Republican party was at least a "respectable party". Had a warmongering idiot fool like GWB as the head of the party, but still a respectable party that Black people could at least be a part of. After all, never forget that Republicans was pushing for Colin Powell to run for President. If he ran, I truly believe he could have won. White people loved Colin Powell before the whole WMD debacle.

And when you met Black Republicans, you could respect them. They were usually well-off in terms of wealth, had a little too much "bootstraps" talk in their conversation, but you could respect them and see where they were coming from, and they made some very good points. Black Republicans in those days weren't minstrel shows, tap dancing for white people's appreciation. They were in the Republican party because they believed in Republican values, not because they hated themselves and Black people.

After Obama, White people collectively lost their damn minds and the Republican party flipped on its head.

Remember that scene in Batman where I think Joker said, "You... you changed everything."

As good for the city as Batman was, as much good as he was doing cleaning up crime, his advent changed the nature of crime in Gotham City. He was... different. So criminals became... different.

I think about that with regards to Obama. A Black president of the United States was such an "aberration" that the opposition team became an aberration as well.

I'm a student of history and politics, and I love going back listening to speeches from past Presidents. I'm currently watching documentaries about Reagan and Nixon, and listening to the Republican creed of yonder old is light years removed from the Republican creed of today.

Democrats have mainly stayed where they were at the last 40 years or so. They've moved in terms of "sexual freedom and identity", but other than that, their principles and values have remained the same.

Not so with Republicans. The visage of a Black President in their precious White House drove many White people to the brink of madness. It brought out the "Joker" in them, if you will. They're all over-the-top cartoonish levels of villainy, but they're dangerous. Extremely dangerous, just like the Joker. Why? Because there's no rhyme or reason to racism. Racism in itself is insanity, so they are insane, unpredictable and flat-out wild at this point.

The only thing that could bring down the fervor is for Trump to be gone from the stage, whether it's through prison time or the only thing. But even then, the death of the Joker didn't bring Gotham back to sanity. It simply created a void.

There is nobody who can take Trump's place as long as he's alive. That's why no one was really worried about Desantis. White Republicans en masse don't want anyone but Trump. He was the only white man who had the guts to "put that Obama nxgger in his place" when he was President. Nobody else but Trump did that. These folks will vote for him as long as he's alive.

Now after he's gone, it will be a different story, and then we will have to think about the possibility of someone worse than him, smarter than him, coming along to fill the void.

I don't think the Republican party will ever be what it was. The only way it could be is for the feds to investigate everybody, every single Republican politician in Washington, including those on the Supreme Court. But they'll never do that, so it is what it is.

With that being said, Trump 2024. You thought

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

The current black conservative brand:

Publicly criticize black people
Never criticize white people without calling them liberals
Claim this isn’t a racist country
Allow yourself to be used as a token
Bask in white acceptance

Notice the popular black conservatives are the ones who publicly criticize black people to a white audience.

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

That brand of conservatism in general is dead. It's full-blown populism with some facism sprinkled in.

That's a direct result of letting the Tea Party/Birther/Pizzagate people gain control of the party. In the late 2000's and early 2010's the fringe movements weren't stamped out by the GOP establishment because they saw it would win them elections. And up until 2020, they were correct. They had control of Congress, the courts, and the White House. The difference is now the die is cast, the playbook's been revealed and unless they revert to open revolution/genocide, there's nothing left for them to accomplish.

The modern GOP is a dog that's finally caught the car it was chasing. The north star of their platform (Roe) is gone now. There's no direction, but what they didn't expect was for White women to turn on them. The Roe ruling all but assured that they'll probably never win that demo again. Which means they'll never win again. White men will NEVER win an election on their own...which is why disenfranchising as many groups as possible is key for them. So now they must appeal to the "culture wars" once more and create boogeymen that scare old white people again. What the Black GOP seemed to forget is that THEY are the boogeymen again, THEIR history is the threat. It always was, but it was easy to bury your head in the sand about it in the 90's and post-9/11 eras.

The brand of conservatism based in "family values", "tradition" and "fiscal responsibility" is over. And it was over the moment Obama won the presidency.

They were able to get as far as they did because of the support of white women. Don't get it twisted. People can, do and will vote against their own interests if they think someone they hate will be treated even worse.

All the Republicans have to offer is the promise of harming people who you've deluded yourself into thinking are getting things they don't 'deserve'. They won't do anything about climate change and the disasters it's fueling, they won't do anything about income inequality and growing the middle class. They won't do anything about housing or city design. They won't do anything about actually cutting costs by tightening the budget of the military and putting that money elsewhere. They don't give a shyt about anyone making less than 100,000 dollars a year and if you are one of these people you couldn't care less who's in charge as long as you're not being taxed.

 

[Lexington Steele]

Truth of the matter, OP, is that before the Obama years, the Republican party was at least a "respectable party". Had a warmongering idiot fool like GWB as the head of the party, but still a respectable party that Black people could at least be a part of. After all, never forget that Republicans was pushing for Colin Powell to run for President. If he ran, I truly believe he could have won. White people loved Colin Powell before the whole WMD debacle.

And when you met Black Republicans, you could respect them. They were usually well-off in terms of wealth, had a little too much "bootstraps" talk in their conversation, but you could respect them and see where they were coming from, and they made some very good points. Black Republicans in those days weren't minstrel shows, tap dancing for white people's appreciation. They were in the Republican party because they believed in Republican values, not because they hated themselves and Black people.

After Obama, White people collectively lost their damn minds and the Republican party flipped on its head.

Remember that scene in Batman where I think Joker said, "You... you changed everything."

As good for the city as Batman was, as much good as he was doing cleaning up crime, his advent changed the nature of crime in Gotham City. He was... different. So criminals became... different.

I think about that with regards to Obama. A Black president of the United States was such an "aberration" that the opposition team became an aberration as well.

I'm a student of history and politics, and I love going back listening to speeches from past Presidents. I'm currently watching documentaries about Reagan and Nixon, and listening to the Republican creed of yonder old is light years removed from the Republican creed of today.

Democrats have mainly stayed where they were at the last 40 years or so. They've moved in terms of "sexual freedom and identity", but other than that, their principles and values have remained the same.

Not so with Republicans. The visage of a Black President in their precious White House drove many White people to the brink of madness. It brought out the "Joker" in them, if you will. They're all over-the-top cartoonish levels of villainy, but they're dangerous. Extremely dangerous, just like the Joker. Why? Because there's no rhyme or reason to racism. Racism in itself is insanity, so they are insane, unpredictable and flat-out wild at this point.

The only thing that could bring down the fervor is for Trump to be gone from the stage, whether it's through prison time or the only thing. But even then, the death of the Joker didn't bring Gotham back to sanity. It simply created a void.

There is nobody who can take Trump's place as long as he's alive. That's why no one was really worried about Desantis. White Republicans en masse don't want anyone but Trump. He was the only white man who had the guts to "put that Obama nxgger in his place" when he was President. Nobody else but Trump did that. These folks will vote for him as long as he's alive.

Now after he's gone, it will be a different story, and then we will have to think about the possibility of someone worse than him, smarter than him, coming along to fill the void.

I don't think the Republican party will ever be what it was. The only way it could be is for the feds to investigate everybody, every single Republican politician in Washington, including those on the Supreme Court. But they'll never do that, so it is what it is.

With that being said, Trump 2024. You thought

That Geico Neanderthal commercial looking bytch is the embodiment of what you're talking about.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

They were able to get as far as they did because of the support of white women. Don't get it twisted. People can, do and will vote against their own interests if they think someone they hate will be treated even worse.

All the Republicans have to offer is the promise of harming people who you've deluded yourself into thinking are getting things they don't 'deserve'. They won't do anything about climate change and the disasters it's fueling, they won't do anything about income inequality and growing the middle class. They won't do anything about housing or city design. They won't do anything about actually cutting costs by tightening the budget of the military and putting that money elsewhere. They don't give a shyt about anyone making less than 100,000 dollars a year and if you are one of these people you couldn't care less who's in charge as long as you're not being taxed.

This is kinda my point. Is that what's being revealed to these women is that they though they were main characters, and the Roe shyt just reminded them that they aren't. White women are head up with black women for who gets the most abortions (around 35-40% of all abortions for both). And WHERE they get them the most is just as important, solidly red states. While this may not matter in the Dakotas or Utah...it WILL matter in Tennessee, or Virginia, or GEORGIA, hell It may even come into play in Texas. This is why, if you dig deeper, you'll see that STATE GOP PARTIES are losing membership and financial backing left and right. Many of these moderate, college educated women are not going to vote for this party. And don't even start on Gen Z women, who ascribe to not only reproductive rights, but also gender/sexual awakening. The GOP lost Congress on the back of Millenial and Gen Z women waking the fukk up and rejecting their platform. It was a referendum on their platform.

The point is you're right, many people WILL vote against their self interest. But only when someone else can be the villain. The issue, as you've illustrated, is that the GOP's made villains of everyone besides cis het white men. And you CANNOT win elections that way.

 

[get these nets]

W
@Black Magisterialness

Women of means always have more options than poor women..Wealthy women who leaned conservative before Roe v Wade was overturned were under no delusion about what the Far Right's stance was about that issue.
They have the resources to work around current and future laws if they decide to terminate a pregnancy.
Poor and under resources women who lean that way will likely continue to based on other issues.

The lines have been marked in the sand sharply for years. I see a % of people questioning/changing their votes after the Fed. and state decisons about abortion, but not a significant %

 

[Black Magisterialness]

W
@Black Magisterialness

Women of means always have more options than poor women..Wealthy women who leaned conservative before Roe v Wade was overturned were under no delusion about what the Far Right's stance was about that issue.
They have the resources to work around current and future laws if they decide to terminate a pregnancy.
Poor and under resources women who lean that way will likely continue to based on other issues.

The lines have been marked in the sand sharply for years. I see a % of people questioning/changing their votes after the Fed. and state decisons about abortion, but not a significant %

It was a significant enough percent to flip congress and halt the GOP in multiple states. Doubly so in battleground states like Michigan. I'm not talking about a hypothetical. This is what happened.

 

[Vandelay]

The grift overtakes brand. A lot of people only care about money and the general public either forgets, forgives, or doesn't care after the news cycle ends.

 

[get these nets]

It was a significant enough percent to flip congress and halt the GOP in multiple states. Doubly so in battleground states like Michigan. I'm not talking about a hypothetical. This is what happened.

Thanks.Decent point, but I see that as a result of it increasing voter turnout among women Democrats.

I don't see Rep. leaning women being swayed in the other direction by the Supreme Court ruling. In fact, I think they were lulled to sleep by the "victory" and didn't turn out to vote. You made a great point in the earlier post about overturning abortion being a rally cry/carrot for Republican voters for DECADES. And them no longer being able to use that to motivate voters. Lower voter turnout in election immediately after that would be consistent .


I think they have a bag of other lightning rod topics to scare their bases with in future elections.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Democrats have mainly stayed where they were at the last 40 years or so. They've moved in terms of "sexual freedom and identity", but other than that, their principles and values have remained the same.

The current Democratic position on illegal immigration and labor rights is diametrically opposed to their historical stance.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

Thanks.Decent point, but I see that as a result of it increasing voter turnout among women Democrats.

I don't see Rep. leaning women being swayed in the other direction by the Supreme Court ruling. In fact, I think they were lulled to sleep by the "victory" and didn't turn out to vote. You made a great point in the earlier post about overturning abortion being a rally cry/carrot for Republican voters for DECADES. And them no longer being able to use that to motivate voters. Lower voter turnout in election immediately after that would be consistent .


I think they have a bag of other lightning rod topics to scare their bases with in future elections.

I'm not even really talking about right leaning women. They have those women already. Who they got were the moderates, who, for some reason, people feel like don't exist anymore. Both parties have moved farther apart, but the right has moved farther right than the inverse. That leaves a massive glut of white, educated, suburban voters in the cold when it comes to a party to vote for.


That's why Biden won handedly. Because, outwardly, he's a moderate. There's no place in the GOP for a measured conservative. So those voters are moving into the Democratic tent. We'll see for how long...but for the forseeable future, the GOP has nothing to offer women or racial/sexual minorities.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

The current Democratic position on illegal immigration and labor rights is diametrically opposed to their historical stance.

 

[El Bombi]

Truth of the matter, OP, is that before the Obama years, the Republican party was at least a "respectable party".

This dude is trying to make excuses for voting Republican/Sarah Palin in 2008.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

This dude is trying to make excuses for voting Republican/Sarah Palin in 2008.

I have no excuses to make as I'm a proud and out Trump supporter right now.

Can you say the same?

At least I aint a p*ssy like you afraid to be honest about where I stand right here right now.

I say I support Trump and I speak on it freely.

What about you, nxgga?

And before you come back with the "nooo I would never support Trump " while clutching your pearls (you a hoe so I know you got a string of pearls around your neck, I only hope it's the real ones and not the ones you got when you got done sucking off @Another Man you punk fxggot)...

Don't forget that there's plenty of evidence on this site that you support Trump.

Unless you plan to go back and start editing all your posts like your fellow hoe @Bunchy Carter did.

 

[Germms]

I also dislike how the genre of black conservatism became so tainted. It literally spread like a wildfire once Trump became president. For example the hodge twins, officer tatum, and candace owens. These people wouldnt have a voice and following if it werent for other white people tokenizing them.