Do black men oppress black women?

[Giselle]

This is a question that has shown up on my timeliness with many women answering in the affirmative and saying that yes, black men oppress black wok3n, socially if not institutional lyrics.

I disagreed with this assertion and all he)) broke loose. So I've decided to ask the Coli. But first let me refute some common arguments that feminists ar3le using to postulate the notion black mend oppress black women:

Black males are victized more by black men than any other group. The same is true for white men in that white males are victimized more by white men than any other groups. Since we don't--and neither does rational society--call white men oppressors of white people (in fact we call white men white people's leaders) for victimizing themselves more than other groups, so we shouldn't apply different logic to black men and call them oppressors of black men for the same reason.

The same logic applies as much to white women and white men who mainly commit crimes against them as black men and black women.

2) Black men oppress black women through epithets and I'll teasing

Black women do the same to black men, so if black men are oppressive for saying something about black women, then black women are similarly oppressive for saying things about black men. I dont agree, actually, that Tit for tat, while I'll advised, is oppression anymore than calling someone an a$$hole is oppression.

3) "Black men are socially opppressive to black women"

Black men don't intentionally make some black women or anyone scared or intulimidated or silenced by us. If some black women feel this way, it is because they lack social fortitude and power, not because black men oppress it out of them. Black men are no more to blame for some black women feeling oppressed under our gaze than men are to blame for a bird flying away in fear when humans turn to it or a bad football player feeling downtrodden because the other guys on his team are so much better than he is.

If the bird or football player have anyone to blame--it is not black men or football players of humans-- but themselves for what they lack. Suffice to say, it is not black men's fault some black women feel oppressed under when said black women have every way to make themselves better.

Nah, this is a question you just grabbed from the hottest threads list on lsa.

 

[Knuckles Red]

Dont forget our toxic masculinity is oppressing cisgender LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ with our patriarchal male ego as well.

This is an example of the type of attitudes that are detrimental to black women. To have their experiences, and oppression (sometimes at the hands of black men) be disregarded, and treated like a joke. You don't often see this type of response from black women when talking about black issues related to us, as black men. This is the type of arrogance, and ignorance that results from privilege.

 

[George's Dilemma]

Didn't read but when a black woman walks into the room or into my eye sight I look up and admire her blackness/beauty, smile and keep it movin. I don't know any other race of men/women doing that. This divisive rhetoric you hear is just that.

I think most men, mature men that is, of any race do that. Most men admire from afar, most men question whether the time is appropriate to approach or not, or have butterflies. And most men will KIM in the far majority of those instances of their life.

 

[godkiller]

By our actions and attitudes that come at the expense of black women. That is part of our privilege, as black men. Black women have to deal with sexism, and racism. This is called intersectionality.

But black women are no different, and if they are not oppressing us in your described way, then black men are not oppressing them.

Afterall, black women have the same selfish thoughts and actions, which variously come at the expense of black men. Likewise with black women, black men also suffer from racism and sexism. Black men report more discrimination than black women and are more the targets of white violence all because black men are male and black.

So your argument fails at this juncture. Black men no more oppress black women or are oppressed than they oppress us or than we ourselves are oppressed.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Black women have it easier in America



Most blacks killed overwhelmingly are men and we don't get as good jobs. WS prefer women and fakkits not straight black men

 

[#1 pick]

I don't think so. But Black men can be very sexist. I think people often confuse the two.

Thecoli is sexist as fukk but it's improving day by day. It ain't like it used to be. Back in the days, some brehs would openly call BW bytches. So lame.

 

[wastedmermaid]

Lets ask the thousands of black men in jail because of child support if BM oppress BW

 

[George's Dilemma]

Nah, this is a question you just grabbed from the hottest threads list on lsa.

Whats lsa?

 

[Insun Park]

The OP singled out BM. This discussion is about them in relation to BW. You do understand that right?

I knew that CAC

Was just stating that all demographics can be sexist

 

[WHIPPEDCream]

Institutionally? No. We don't have the power to do that. Socially? Yes!

You are my favorite poster.

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

Lets ask the thousands of black men in jail because of child support if BM oppress BW

So you think BW are the real oppressors then?

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

I knew that CAC

Was just stating that all demographics can be sexist

You're calling me a cac?

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

It seems everyone does

The same for men though

 

[wastedmermaid]

Well t

So you think BW are the real oppressors then?

Well they sure are quick as hell to run to there white daddy( aka the government) when a nikka missed a child support payment so....yeah.

 

[Knuckles Red]

But black women are no different, and if they are not oppressing us in your described way, then black men are not oppressing them.

Afterall, black women have the same selfish thoughts and actions, which variously come at the expense of black men. Likewise with black women, black men also suffer from racism and sexism. Black men report more discrimination than black women and are more the targets of white violence all because black men are make AND black.

This tendency to sway the conversation away from black women, and their unique issues to try and prove their experiences wrong is another example of the type of privilege we have over black women when we have conversations like this. If you already have it made up in your mind what your feelings are about this topic then why create a thread about it, and argue against any comment that goes against your own personal beliefs? The black female experience isn't one I've had. It isn't one you've had, so my point is that we have to listen to black women when they talk about their issues because that respect is always extended to us from them. Blackness is maleness. We need to put effort into making these types of discussions more inclusive.