"Do For Selfers are Doomed. Here's why" says Yvette Carnell

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I watched this live and tried to call in to her show. I'm reading posters here, I am more convinced a lot of us are living in a delusional state and it's just easier to lash out at people like Yvette. The responsibility to find solutions to the problems plaguing the black community is one we ALL own - not just the ones who put themselves out there. If you are native black/DOS, you have just as much a job to pay attention and contribute to the collective's growth. I get beyond pissed when people keep saying people like Yvette, Boyce, Tariq, Umar or whoever aren't offering solutions that work, as if it is one person who is to be responsible for the whole community. We (individuals in this community) have a real issue with deferring our responsibility; I can admit I have been a part of that problem. I always thought politics was for "smart people" or just a certain kind of person. Up until recently, it's been easier to just look to others for answers, look for books written by others who can tell me what to do instead of me really just stopping to look at my own life and creating solutions on my own and sharing those. Perhaps its a fear of being wrong or just putting myself out there to be criticized. I wonder if the people who love to criticize any person who is willing to put him/herself out there like that is willing to do the same.

Also, I think, psychologically, the reason we defer to doing for self is just because, honestly, deep, deep down, we just want the shyt to stop. We want the fukkery that absolutely follows the life of a native black/DOS in this country to cease to the point that our anger has turned into apathy and then delusion. It amazes me how we can't see it. I didn't before but I do now - at least for myself.

This is how I imagine the situation Yvette tries to paint for listeners - picture a group of white supremacists making a circle, and inside the circle is a enormous mound treasure. The treasure is all the wealth they have hoarded and stolen from others and the land, primarily from us. They protect it, creating what appears to be an impenetrable defense from which to get the wealth which surrounds the entire treasure. Realizing we are in the minority number, we try appealing to them amicably to give back what they took from us. We try this a number a ways, and each time, we are rebuffed. Frustrated and seeing they will never change, we as black folk, seeing this, give up and say, "fukk it! We'll go get some more. We'll go create our own stuff".

Seeing this, the white supremacists rub their hands together and wait patiently. Once we have established something for ourselves, then some of the white folk from that circle come and, using an array of methods, steal the new stuff we created and add it to the treasure in their circle while destroying the rest. We are in a state of disbelief, disgust, frustration, rage and grief, trying to figure out why these people keep fukking with us, though we were not fukking with them. We are now hesitate to rebuild again, anticipating the same result may occur. So, the issues are 1) there is now no more wealth because they have it all contained within their circle, 2) we have to anticipate them coming to steal from us if we create something new, but, most of all, 3) even if you could get more or create more, black folk seem to forget the wealth in circle also belongs to US. Who the fukk let's someone steal from them and says to the thief, "Go on and hold that. I'll just go get more?" That's OUR stuff they are holding/hoarding and using to make themselves rich. And thru not just legislation but just unending mental and emotional abuse, they've but us in a state where they can predict our behavior in reaction to what they do and anticipate we will not fight back in a real way.

To me, the way to recapture the wealth is to bust up the circle of white people hoarding it...and by busting it, I'm talking about war. Yvette's approach of black politics is one arm of the attack. Boyce's approach of creating business is another. Umar's call to be unapologetically black is another. Tapping back into the power of some of our ancient belief systems would be another. The point is, the fight against these people has to be waged from ALL sides of the circle, but the option of ignoring the circle to go do our own thing, if we were ever to employ this tactic, should be one of the tactics we would use to ultimately dismantle the circle of white supremacists and recapture what is rightfully ours, not just something we resort to because we are frustrated and sick of their shyt. They have created a system to hoard the wealth; thus, to take them down, we must create a multi-faceted system to combat it and confront them. Doing for self should be one arm of the solution, not the sole plan.

I believe it is easier - mentally and emotionally - when looking at the ancestors of the people who enslaved ours to tell them we will just do our own thing and not beseech anything of them, to just totally disengage them as much as we possibly can. It is easier because it doesn't rouse the anger one would have to feel by dealing with them every fukking day. James Baldwin already told us that being black here is to be in a constant state of rage, so I say, embrace it and use it to create a system of our own, not run away from the problem. Any time you deny a part of yourself, it creates a shadow side which haunts you and creates subconscious destructive behavior. We have to reintegrate our rage, grief and everything else and transform it into something which can help us rather than hurt us. Ignoring white people is not going to get it. Honestly, I think they have been expecting us to pull their card for a long time but that is another story.

No shade, but for the life of me, I cannot understand why some of us cannot understand what Yvette is saying. It seems clear as day to me. But I admit it is hard to embrace the possibility of having to life your life for helping us rather than just doing for yourself.
 

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Also, I think, psychologically, the reason we defer to doing for self is just because, honestly, deep, deep down, we just want the shyt to stop. We want the fukkery that absolutely follows the life of a native black/DOS in this country to cease to the point that our anger has turned into apathy and then delusion. It amazes me how we can't see it.

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One thing i do agree with (i'm not sure if she said it or someone else), is that we really overestimate how much wealth we really have. That's why when those black wealth studies come out, there's always nikkas who don't believe it and say, "nuh uh, not me"

It's because a lot of us (not all) don't seem to understand that wealth ≠ income.
Wealth is the net worth of a person, the total value of his assets minus his liabilities, while income is the amount of money that a person received in return for his services, sale of goods, or profit from investments.
To put it another way...Income is the amount of money someone receives on a regular basis, while wealth is the length of time that person/family could maintain their current lifestyle without receiving compensation for work (i.e. how long you could maintain if you lost your current income)

So that's why a lot of brehs think "everything is okay, black people are doing great" because they think income and wealth are synonymous.

 

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One thing i do agree with (i'm not sure if she said it or someone else), is that we really overestimate how much wealth we really have. That's why when those black wealth studies come out, there's always nikkas who don't believe it and say, "nuh uh, not me"

It's because a lot of us (not all) don't seem to understand that wealth ≠ income.
Wealth is the net worth of a person, the total value of his assets minus his liabilities, while income is the amount of money that a person received in return for his services, sale of goods, or profit from investments.
To put it another way...Income is the amount of money someone receives on a regular basis, while wealth is the length of time that person/family could maintain their current lifestyle without receiving compensation for work (i.e. how long you could maintain if you lost your current income)

So that's why a lot of brehs think "everything is okay, black people are doing great" because they think income and wealth are synonymous.

The wealth studies aren't based on static or objective fact.
That is why you have some wealth studies that state black US wealth is under 3k and others that say its 40k.
Again when you know numbers you know how they can be played with, so it opens your eyes to certain games that are attempted to be run by certain white classes who make it their vested interest in perpetuating the myth of black inferiority and need to be reliant on whites.
 

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Yvette Carnell and all the clowns caping need to shut the fukk up.

This c*nt wants to control people who want to build something, fukk her.

She used to work for clarence thomas and shyt etc back in the day, since she wants to work with the govt, she should go back to where she belongs and stop bytching and being a debbie downer all over social media.

She's scared to team up with maxine waters and the rest, what a clown she is. :scust:
I don't agree with a Yvette on everything but I'm going to need to see proof of this.
 

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OP is blatantly lying about what she said.

You know dumb Coli nikkas take anything posted on here as gospel without investigating for themselves.

Yeah.

A lot of people on this site are pretty dumb.

She is basically saying if you think you can uproot the current governmental structure - in which you call White Supremacy - on your own, you are foolish. She is not necessarily talking about people making money and surviving but those people that believe they can make money and give orders to the government without proper representation in the government or a good understanding of politics.
 

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Yeah.

A lot of people on this site are pretty dumb.

She is basically saying if you think you can uproot the current governmental structure - in which you call White Supremacy - on your own, you are foolish. She is not necessarily talking about people making money and surviving but those people that believe they can make money and give orders to the government without proper representation in the government or a good understanding of politics.
So who runs around saying that? Name one black empowerment advocate who talks about “uprooting the current governmental structure”? That’s called “revolution” and nobody’s talking that, not in public anyway. You just set up a bullshyt straw man argument to make a fake point.
Crickets huh fukboi? @Gravity
Yall have to watch out for c00ns like him who jus make up shyt
Motherfukk you. Find it yourself fakkit.
 

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Also, I think the "do for selfers" are in the minority, we're not the majority at all. There's a few on The Coli, but outside of here, most brehs aren't on that. Even the highly educated brehs tend to just want a "good job" and some toys to flex with. Then their kids repeat the same cycle.

That's why i have tried to encourage entrepreneurship to other black men, but most don't want to hear it, which is their choice, but my point is the do-for-self mindset is not as common as what we're making it sound in here right now. It's a small amount of brehs on that.

I have seen far too many brehs wasting money when they have kids to think about. You can't pass them the type of shyt we waste our money on, and you can't pass down your job to them.

I don't wanna see another generation of black kids not get passed anything :snoop: Telling our kids "go get a job" from some cac in a suit. I've kind of already accepted it's going to be like that though.

We don't need "everyone" to do for self, but we do need enough where we can employ each other, patronize our businesses, circulate money in our communities, etc. I'm starting to think it's a pipe dream though.:francis:


Yall nikkas are delusional.:mjlol:

nikkas talking about creating their own government? :russ:

You guys barely grasp basic politics and basic finance yet think you can not only create a separate government but run it competently as well? :russ::russ::russ::russ:

:mjlol:

:snoop:
 

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She full of shyt. When Black people start doing for self more and building she will not help she will just complain.

Her whole life pointless.
 

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:mjlol: It doesn’t take much to bring the racism out of c00ns and crackers. All you’ve got to do is poke em a little.

Oh it’s another empty bytchmade passive aggressive post in defense of Carnell and her c00n ideology. What a shock! Aren’t you white anyway?

You're completely full of shyt dude. It’s a shame that we’ve got so many grown ass men who are nothing but bytchmade punks at the end of the day.

Why are other communities able to empower themselves by using each other as consumers? We’re supposed to use each other as consumers idiot. That’s how empowerment works. You patronize people of/from your community. Other groups circulate their money within their community several times before it leaves out of the community. That means that they’re spending their money with each other over and over before they spend it with outside groups. Our problem is that we don’t have enough “do for selfers” to even do that. We got too many bytchmade punks with the Yvette Carnell ideology thinking that since the game is rigged against us there’s no sense of even playing.

Why do you keep preaching this “woe is us, white supremacy has us fukked up” like we don’t already know that? We know that systematic white racism is the reason that we’re in the hole, now what? Blacks like you sound like you should just roll over and die.

“Do for selfers are doomed”. Anybody who cosigns that message regarding blacks has already given up and sold out. Doing for self is our only hope because the government isn’t going to help us.

Imagine if the Haitians has adopted the mindset of people like you and Carnell. They may have never gotten free. On paper all of the odds were against them being able to fight off the French and the other world powers for their independence, but they won anyway . If y’all were alive 215 years ago in Haiti y’all would’ve been the c00ns tryna talk folk out of fighting back. “Wees can’t fight these French, look at all they got and what we don’t got. Y’all are doomed if you try to fight back”. Get the fukk outta here with that coward shot you’re talking.

We as black people are not doing the best that we can do to empower ourselves and improve our situation. That’s fact period. Will black empowerment end white supremacy and even the playong field with whites? No. It will improve our current situation though and that’s what’s important. Listening to defeated broken spirited people like Carnell will not improve our situation. What does she even do for money besides the youtube hustle?


Haiti is reliant on foreign-aid. Hardly free if you ask me.

Most of you guys have no idea what you're talking about. Just babbling, spewing surface level talking points you mimicked from Dr. Claude Anderson.
 

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Haiti is reliant on foreign-aid. Hardly free if you ask me.

Most of you guys have no idea what you're talking about. Just babbling, spewing surface level talking points you mimicked from Dr. Claude Anderson.
The fact that you quoted that long ass post only to respond with a deflection and weak ad hominem illustrates just how anti-intellectual and bytchmade you truly are. I’d slap you on the mouth just off GP.
 

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The fact that you quoted that long ass post only to respond with a deflection and weak as hominem illustrates just how anti-intellectual and bytchmade you truly are. I’d slap you on the mouth just off GP.

That whole post was garbage anyway. I only deal with substance and that was the only substantive part in that post.

And stop with the tough talk. You sound weak.
 
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