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I don't think putting "people" in quotes is necessary, that's pretty much the exact same rhetoric that neo-nazi who got punched in the face uses about jews. I don't think we should judge others "let ye without sin cast the first stone" etc. But if we are going to make judgement calls, I think the best way to do so is by comparing a person's actions against their words. So if you're criticizing white-supremacists for their racist values, which treat others as subhuman, by using their same ideological arguments, then your logic fails the rhetorical litmus test.

On a philosophical level, talking about "being at their core a righteous person" implies there's such a thing as a transcendental signifier like "righteous" or "good" or "virtuous". Words get their meaning from how they differ from other words, there's no metaphysical, one-to-one correspondence, like some platonic ideal. So the answer to the question: do 'good' white people exist? Is "No," because there's no such thing as "good" for any person to be, the same way there's no "evil" either.

This isn't just playing semantics (though it certainly is that), it's important to recognize how people get their individual meanings because it shows that one person's perception of "good" can be the complete opposite of someone else's, which causes people to view individuals with different values in an "us" vs "them" mentality. Once we get over this fact, maybe we can come to some pragmatic approaches toward global collaboration in order to achieve some world where we finally control our individual chaotic tendencies toward war and violence against the "Other" more so than we have in the past, ex: putting "people" in quotes when referring to those who are different in order to dehumanize them.

So in the end, after 3 paragraphs of equivocation, there is no definition of good therefore we can't say. Thank you for wasting my time.

so what about the oppression by individuals that look just like you¿
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But.. but.. what about black on black crime? I swear some of you are very low functioning people. What does this have to do with the original post?
 
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So in the end, after 3 paragraphs of equivocation, there is no definition of good therefore we can't say. Thank you for wasting my time.
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You do realize that philosophers have been wrestling with these questions for centuries? :mjlol:

It's certainly not a waste of time to discuss where people get their morals and ethics from, because people's morals and ethics are what prevent them from doing or not doing certain actions — such as murder/violence/war.

Edit: I wasn't being ambiguous, I specifically answered your question, "No."
 

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I think this is a naive question, arguably stupid, and one can't help but wonder how many folks on here just wake up fearful and suspicious of white people. The opening post looks like it was typed while hiding under blankets in an attic. Even more problematic is some posters completely unrealistic and idealized expectations of people. There is no ideal example of "good" people in this society or planet. Not now, nor historically.

The question being asked on whether there are examples of good individual white people leads to another question. That being, compared to who in modern times? Are all Black people good? Or matter fact since we're delving into the subject of relativism, are Black people who do dirt completely and inherently bad and need to be written off entirely? I don't think so. Flawed yes, but not necessarily bad. One thing is for sure though, we don't view them as idealisticly good either. So why would anyone expect such an unrealistic bar for white people? There are plenty of good whites relatively speaking. The road that lead us to where we are now would have had a lot more bloodshed if not for some good whites, relatively speaking.
 

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It depends how you define good people.

If it is by those who genuinely want to help, will go the extra distance and operate on a set of "the right thing to do" principles, then yes plenty of good people of all races like this exist and are plentiful who will help any race in need.

That said, if you define "good people" as someone who will do all the work for you, then you need to redefine your standards, get off your ass and get real.

shyt some people think a good person is only someone who will risk everything they own for someone else. That's ridiculous. As some would say, "hold your own nuts."

Any good person will point you to the right path, and may help open some doors, but end of the day you have to walk it. The problem is some people want them to walk it for them too.

I've seen people with access to the right resources who have tried their hardest to make things happen for somebody else, only to get to the point where all the other person had to do was their part to help themselves, and they never did. Then I've seen that person blame the helping hand and everyone else but themselves. The funny thing after that is the one who was helping all of a sudden is seen as the "bad" guy to some people. :mindblown:
 
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You do realize that philosophers have been wrestling with these questions for centuries? :mjlol:

It's certainly not a waste of time to discuss where people get their morals and ethics from, because people's morals and ethics are what prevent them from doing or not doing certain actions — such as murder/violence/war.

Edit: I wasn't being ambiguous, I specifically answered your question, "No."

I get that, but you are not about to rope a dope me into a critical analysis of Nietzsche's work. The morality of white people, wherever they learned it, has not been beneficial to the majority of the planet.
 

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Someone please point me in the direction of a good white person. I would love to meet and possibly interview them.

That said, if you define "good people" as someone who will do all the work for you, then you need to redefine your standards, get off your ass and get real

Do what work for me?

I see the codewords.. im hip.
 

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Get your cac ass outta here and don't @ me again. I don't have a "troll" thread on my record.. meanwhile your threads:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/have-any-of-you-ever-heard-of-the-concept-mudsharking.491208/



How so? Friends, or friendly with? You over their house? Eating dinner? Confiding? Hitting the gym? Or do yall just smile and exchange niceties?
Sometimes we'll have lunch or I'll go by their office and talk about different stuff or what I'm up to, haven't done it in a while a though.
 

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Not a troll thread. We must understand people are capable of good deeds, but at the very core are they righteous? Because I've studied race and these "people" for years, I find racial discourse in Amerika comical. Would you say the following "people" are good?

  • Tim Wise
  • Jane Elliot
  • Shaun King
  • John Brown
Also, do you have white friends? Have you ever experienced racism?
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The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, in response to the question asked by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. when they met in 1966, “Do you believe that all Whites are ‘devils’?” used the example of the “king snake” and the “rattlesnake.” The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said “one is harmless,” and “one is filled with poison”—“but remember, brother, both are still snakes.”

No white person really wants that which is best for Black people; freedom, justice, equality, independence, and some useful land of our own to rule and govern ourselves. They will always try to backdoor give their devilish input as a means to somehow exert some degree of power and influence over us.
 

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Sometimes we'll have lunch or I'll go by their office and talk about different stuff or what I'm up to, haven't done it in a while a though.
Not even trying to be condescending but you seem a little green.

Have you heard of:

Dr Amos Wilson
Dr Ishakamusa Barashango
Dr Ben
Dr Afrika
Dr Welsing
Khalid Muhammad
Louis Farrakhan
Elijah Muhammad

If not, please familiarize yourself.
 

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Not even trying to be condescending but you seem a little green.

Have you heard of:

Dr Amos Wilson
Dr Ishakamusa Barashango
Dr Ben
Dr Afrika
Dr Welsing
Khalid Muhammad
Louis Farrakhan
Elijah Muhamma


If not, please familiarize yourself.
Yes to the bolded.
 

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I think my girlfriend is a great person, but you could say I'm biased...:troll:
 
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