do people still deny Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection

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I really don't understand what folks get out of thinking Darwin is a racist... is it their disgust for evolutionary theory stemming from religious views? I know @iLLaV3 is very religious if memory serves me correct. What is it? Is it just an assumption that all white people from the past are racist fukks? (most were...but darwin wasn't) If he was racist (which he isn't) does that make his theory of evolution not true? It doesn't. That's why it's an accepted scientific theory. natural selection is a fukking fact. evolution is a fact.

The only problem I have with Darwin honestly is that he calls his theory 'Evolution'. It is a flawed description and therefore wrong terminology. This is why I brought up the importance of language.
The term Evolution opened just enough of a slim crevice that allowed White Supremacy to seep its way into science and manipulate sound study to their benefit.

Until the theory is correctly stated & renamed as Adaptation I cannot stand behind it.
 

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The only problem I have with Darwin honestly is that he calls his theory 'Evolution'. It is a flawed description and therefore wrong terminology. This is why I brought up the importance of language.
The term Evolution opened just enough of a slim crevice that allowed White Supremacy to seep its way into science and manipulate sound study to their benefit.

Until the theory is correctly stated & renamed as Adaptation I cannot stand behind it.
Breh, that doesn't make any sense. So his theory can be 100% correct (it is) but because it's called Evolution and a bunch of racists used it to suit their agenda you can't get behind it? Evolution is a synonym for "change". His theory is about organisms changing over time, it isn't just about adaptation, there are random mutations as well. The title is fine, you're nitpicking beyond belief dude.
 

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you do realize that darwin rejected polygenism, which was the dominant scientific racist ideology of the time


way to take darwin's quotes completely out of context..

As noted earlier I agree with tons of ideas from Darwin, natural selection is indeed logical.

Evolution is an incorrect term to describe his theory. From those previously stated quotes he did have some bias toward being a Eurocentrist (understandably for his time period) but it doesn't negate the flaws of it. This leads me to assume this is the reasoning for his choice of the word evolution.
I can't, as a man, subscribe to that.
 
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Breh, that doesn't make any sense. So his theory can be 100% correct (it is) but because it's called Evolution and a bunch of racists used it to suit their agenda you can't get behind it? Evolution is a synonym for "change". His theory is about organisms changing over time, it isn't just about adaptation, there are random mutations as well. The title is fine, you're nitpicking beyond belief dude.

no I'm not nitpicking, I am being ACCURATE. And you must deal with accuracy & exactness in ideas such as these. The use of language has hindered black people for a long time because we aren't being precise in our arguments. Also Evolution is not a synonym for change, adaptation is the term you seek for that description.

Evolution: the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form

Adaptation: a change or the process of change by which an organism or species becomes better suited to its environment.
 

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no I'm not nitpicking, I am being ACCURATE. And you must deal with accuracy & exactness in ideas such as these. The use of language has hindered black people for a long time because we aren't being precise in our arguments. Also Evolution is not a synonym for change, adaptation is the term you seek for that description.

Evolution: the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form

Adaptation: a change or the process of change by which an organism or species becomes better suited to its environment.
evolution occurred though. Just go look at something like the evolution of eyes. Eyes gradually developed from a very simple form, to a much much much more complex one.

eye_evolution.jpg


is this not evolution?
 

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no I'm not nitpicking, I am being ACCURATE. And you must deal with accuracy & exactness in ideas such as these. The use of language has hindered black people for a long time because we aren't being precise in our arguments. Also Evolution is not a synonym for change, adaptation is the term you seek for that description.

Evolution: the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form

Adaptation: a change or the process of change by which an organism or species becomes better suited to its environment.
also, evolution and adaptation are two different things. both of them occur. So why should the theory be called one word over the other? Evolution is a change in population overtime, Adaptation is something a singular animal can develop. Whether the adaptation is beneficial or not determines whether it will be passed to offspring and then eventually the entire population will change (evolution)
 

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also, evolution and adaptation are two different things. both of them occur. So why should the theory be called one word over the other?

precisely, they are two different things, I feel that 'evolution' falls under the umbrella of adaptation. The environment you are in determines whether or not ones traits or characteristics are best suited for its habitat. This means that one's previously 'evolved state' may not suit them to well in another environment. I.e. Whites being in a sun filled environment with a lack of shelter or Blacks working inside and not getting the necessary sunlight its body needs. Each situation hinders growth & development of each race. So Adaptation must happen again for each to survive. BTW I know the process of (Adaptation)Evolution so you don't have to show me charts.

Everything that is happening is simply adaptation in its purest form.
 

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precisely, they are two different things, I feel that 'evolution' falls under the umbrella of adaptation. The environment you are in determines whether or not ones traits or characteristics are best suited for its habitat. This means that one's previously 'evolved state' may not suit them to well in another environment. I.e. Whites being in a sun filled environment with a lack of shelter or Blacks working inside and not getting the necessary sunlight its body needs. Each situation hinders growth & development of each race. So Adaptation must happen again for each to survive. BTW I know the process of (Adaptation)Evolution so you don't have to show me charts.

Everything that is happening is simply adaptation in its purest form.
But when talking about an adaptation we're talking about a singular instance of it expressed by one organism. Evolution occurs when the trait benefits survival and is passed on to subsequent generations to the point that an entire population of things has said adaptation. But we could also be talking about an adaptation that isn't beneficial, so it only occurred once, which is obviously different from evolution.

But basically, I think your argument is absolutely POINTLESS. We already agree that Darwin's theory is scientific fact, now you're just complaining about the name ascribed to his theory? I think thats a little ridiculous, but do you.
 

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But basically, I think your argument is absolutely POINTLESS. We already agree that Darwin's theory is scientific fact, now you're just complaining about the name ascribed to his theory? I think thats a little ridiculous, but do you.

I can't help that you are missing the point. Quite frankly, I could care less if you feel its pointless as well, because you aren't black and your race isn't the one being called 'savages'. But 'do you'
 

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lol at adaptation being applied cross species. the thing is, different species cannot become each other. like a dolphin will not become a horse. monkeys cannot become people. lol at having to explain this.

what Darwin is supposing already has a name, its called mutation. mutation does not occur making a species better, it mutates based on its environment. if you take a species and move its environment, it will ADAPT to its environment. It will not change into a different creature, evolving and so forth. a fish will grow extra fins, or an additional gill, but it wont turn into a fox. the reason white people like to believe this obviously false theory is because they can quietly assume superiority, as did Darwin. sucks to be so self absorbed tho, it is blinding.

evolution is FALSE. lol
 

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I can't help that you are missing the point. Quite frankly, I could care less if you feel its pointless as well, because you aren't black and your race isn't the one being called 'savages'. But 'do you'
Wait. You were just telling me your problem with the theory of evolution was the term of evolution itself. Your logic behind that is because racists took that term and turned it into thinking they were more highly evolved? Would them thinking they were more highly "adapted" change things at all? They would've just said white people are better adapted at *insert racist idea here*. Darwin was anti-slavery and said in his book that there weren't differences large enough to constitute separate species' of humans between the skin colors. And yes, in 2015 his use of the word savages are obviously offensive. But look at what year he wrote that book, and think about it from this perspective: during that time the biggest architectural/industrial cities were european/american. Aboriginals and many places in Africa were tribal in nature. Obviously, it's a little hard to create a thriving civilization when your continent is exploited of resources and people by outside invading forces, but to an 1800s European man these people were more savage and less "civilized". I'm not saying he's right but for a man from a time when almost everyone was bigoted, ignorant, and racist, he was pretty advanced.
 
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