Do we have a qb development problem

[MostReal]

College playbooks are dumbed down to maximize quick success, which is nothing like what it takes to win in the pros.

Not sure of his ceiling but JJ McCarthy is the only college QB that was taught pro style football, when it used to be a tremendous amount of under the center QBs coming out of college back in the day.

 

[the next guy]

yes.

 

[Controversy]

I was not impressed

 

[Remote]

I was not impressed

It’s not like Ohio State has produced many big time pro quarterbacks so you wouldn’t recognize how good McCarthy looked in that 4th quarter.

 

[Controversy]

It’s not like Ohio State has produced many big time pro quarterbacks so you wouldn’t recognize how good McCarthy looked in that 4th quarter.

They produced a current QB who has made the postseason twice in his first 2 yrs



The Minny run game went wild in the 4th

 

[KidJSoul]

You know ball

Yes McCarthy struggled but he showed some important traits

Like you said, playing under center.

He didnt rely on too many gimmicks. Made tough throws in the middle of the field

 

[MostReal]

I was not impressed

don't have to be... HE WON

 

[DropTopDoc]

The spread in college is hurting offensive players that want to have early success in the pros. Just look to the sidelines for the play change. They probably don't even understand why the play is being changed. Just run what the coaches say.

Been like that for a good decade....

A lot of spread concepts are in the nfl, i think you’d be surprised how many qbs come in the league not understanding concepts, also how many of your stars from the past, weren’t just reading the field like that, most had one or two reads, or they cut the field in half and you had your two or three reads to one side. Also keep in mind in the nfl you literally sit around and crunch film so you get better with more views of the same thing

College playbooks are dumbed down to maximize quick success, which is nothing like what it takes to win in the pros.

Not sure of his ceiling but JJ McCarthy is the only college QB that was taught pro style football, when it used to be a tremendous amount of under the center QBs coming out of college back in the day.

You’d be surprised how limited some playbooks are because a qb hates throwing over the middle (Russel Wilson) or they hate certain concepts, this belief that nfl vets have wide open playbooks is a myth, and it ain’t just due to the spread. Never mind the way defense has switched up with pattern match, switching coverages after the snap, and split coverages, and more two high looks. nikkas wasn’t seeing that back in the g. If aikman was out there now he’d be in a blender

 

[BrehWyatt]

Probably.

I think the bigger problem is a lack of organizational planning. Too many people draft somebody expecting them to be the savior when they haven't prepared the church for his arrival.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

There's like 8 dope QBs in the whole league. Maybe less

 

[duckbutta]

I don't think their is an issue with developing quarterbacks. I think their is still an archaic way of thinking about what a QB should be doing. You hear all this shyt about "QB doesn't take a snap under center". Uh...so fukking what. And let's not act like you need 3 years to figure that out.

Their is also the fact that since a lot of people don't actually know anything about the sport of football (ask somebody to tell you which gap is the A gap they can't, ask somebody to tell you the difference between a 1 tech and a 3 tech they can't, show somebody 5 seconds of a secondary and ask what coverage is it they can't tell you) everybody just boils it down to "it's the quarterback fault".

There is also no such thing as an "elite" quarterback. Elite means that no matter what is happening the QB can play at a high level. No QB can do this, not even Mahommes. He played in two superbowls where his offensive line got destroyed and they couldn't run the ball. The chiefs got blown out from the jump in both. It doesn't matter how talented a QB is if you can't win at the line of scrimmage you have no chance. Offensive and defensive lines are way more important in football than who your quarterback is because offensive and defensive lines determine who good a quarterback plays. shyt they determine what plays actually get called in the game.

 

[Rekkapryde]

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QB shyt is a crapshot. Lots of these cats are talented, some way more than others, but situation/coaching/front office/work ethic all factor in.

 

[CoryMack]

The spread RPO is what’s ruined the game. fukked up the QB’s fundamentals in alotta ways because time that used to be spent in practice working on mechanics is now dedicated to practicing “mesh points.”

That’s why so many of the QB’s today are so quick to scramble around the pocket instead of stepping up delivering the throw.

And alotta of todays QB’s have that funny sidearm throwing motion. Vince Young was really the first QB that made it to the league with those bad mechanics. The coaches at UT tried to fix it but he didn’t want them to.

Arch Manning has that same weird delivery. The quality of coaching is also way down.

 

[lib123]

Good points made in this thread about college programs dumbing it down for QBs. But also today's defensive linemen and linebackers are much faster and the receivers are faster too but don't seem to be as skilled at running routes and catching with their hands as the older generations.

 

[BrehWyatt]

Good points made in this thread about college programs dumbing it down for QBs. But also today's defensive linemen and linebackers are much faster and the receivers are faster too but don't seem to be as skilled at running routes and catching with their hands as the older generations.

A lot of WRs spend more time on the release than fine-tuning the actual route-running part of the job.