Do y'all agree with this statement about current Black TV shows?

[Ahadi]

This is why it’s important that we own our shyt. Then we can give people 100% unfiltered black content. Until then we have to play by their rules.

 

[Gold]

To be fair The Get Down ranks as Netflix’s most expensive show in the company’s history. Episodes ran in excess to like 18 mil an episode. They couldn’t afford to keep it going past the 2nd season

I hear what you’re saying though

That kinda proves my point.

If they cant afford more than 2 seasons it must not be that profitable

 

[NinoBrown]

It’s interesting cause if these shows are for white ppl, they’re minds then become limited of what a Black person should act like or is suppose to act like. A lot of white ppl don’t interact with black ppl at all, so when you go to work or an environment with them, they expect you to act a certain way based on the show they watch. It could be:

A) Basketball player/rapper
B) Gay best friend
C) Carlton / Braxton

Anything other than that is surprising /new for them and they may try to put you in a box. Sorta like women.

Yup....whenever I mentioned I play piano....cacs are always like:
"Jazz?"

But a lot of these Black shows aren't good and phony....

 

[WesCrook]

It’s interesting cause if these shows are for white ppl, they’re minds then become limited of what a Black person should act like or is suppose to act like. A lot of white ppl don’t interact with black ppl at all, so when you go to work or an environment with them, they expect you to act a certain way based on the show they watch. It could be:

A) Basketball player/rapper
B) Gay best friend
C) Carlton / Braxton

Anything other than that is surprising /new for them and they may try to put you in a box. Sorta like women.

Especially when it comes to job interviews

If you possess the demeanor of characters like:

Frank from Snowfall
Jason from Jason's Lyric

Whites are often taken aback.

 

[Solo ✧✦✧]

I haven't watched a black tv show since the house of payne was on

 

[Ahadi]

Especially when it comes to job interviews

If you possess the demeanor of characters like:

Frank from Snowfall
Jason from Jason's Lyric

Whites are often taken aback.

Very true. They don’t want you to be good looking / smashing all their cac co-workers and don’t want you to be “smarter” than them.

Which is why they’ll hire the non-threatening / or gay or majority of the time; a black woman

 

[murksiderock]

What successful black show didn’t have white following?

Exactly, all of them did. Cats here may not have known whites who liked these shows, but In Living Color and the Wayans family doesn't pop off without mass appreciation and approval from whites, them nikkas woulda still been doing dusty comedy clubs in NY with no traction...

By extension, all the brothers and sisters whose first popularity came from In Living Color like Jamie, white people have always loved "these" black people. Cats are being ridiculous in here...

I think it's funny how we choose to remember the "golden era" of black television in the 90s. The overwhelming majority of those shows were created and dumbed down for white acceptance, fukk outta here. And a few of you already pointed out some flaws on alot of them, the cringeworthy shyt that was performed on some of those shows, either would get blasted today by the same nikkas in here caping for them, or wouldn't last in today's TV climate...

The 90s was the golden era because it was the manifestation of black TV and there was no mainstream approval of black TV before then. Prior to the 90s you couldn't have a lot of black shows on at one time, there was Cosby and 227 and Good Times and Amen befire those, but they didn't give us a lot of platform...

And don't get me started with the stereotypes shows like Good Times and Sanford & Son projected, we'd be talking all day. nikkas in here saying the modern shows are one trick ponies trying to appease whites and dumbing it down, fukk do they think the shows of the past were?

Cosby may have been worse as it kissed so much white ass it didn't show anywhere near the average perspective of a black household...

These cats aren't happy with anything, the thing is nothing will please everyone. The fact is the same things nikkas tripping on modern shows about can apply to every show from the past, just say you don't like it or are nostalgic and move on...

For the record I'm not the biggest fan of modern shows, but I also wasn't the biggest fan of all the older shows. I think Insecure is a great adaptation of modern LA created by an LA native, certainly it's more LA than the Jamie Foxx Show was. It's not perfect but some of these shows are better than their golden age predecessors...

The internet

100 again, brother...

I havent met a single cac who watched martin growing up

I havent met a single cac who watched jamie Foxx growing up

Lmao white folks loved these shyts, but then you also gotta remember there were far more black shows then. Of course white people weren't watching them all but the ones they didn't watch were canceled quickly...

White folk loved Martin, I don't know how you think his popularity and platform grew so fast. They don't love anything as much as WE do (from Martin to chicken to fly athletic sneakers and on and on), so if what you're looking for is whites to have the same volume of appreciation, you ain't gonna find it. But the idea whites didn't watch or like these TV shows is easily disproved...

 

[murksiderock]

Greenleaf, to me, is the best current black show.

Greenleaf is really good, it and Insecure are the two best shows I can remember post-Blackish (the earliest seasons). Just my opinion...

Still Greenleaf isn't without its flaws either,some of the criticisms people in here have for other shows apply to Greenleaf too. But I ain't looking for perfection, the old shows weren't perfect either. Greenleaf is a great show, Insecure is too...

 

[Ya?]

Greenleaf is really good, it and Insecure are the two best shows I can remember post-Blackish (the earliest seasons). Just my opinion...

Still Greenleaf isn't without its flaws either,some of the criticisms people in here have for other shows apply to Greenleaf too. But I ain't looking for perfection, the old shows weren't perfect either. Greenleaf is a great show, Insecure is too...

What do you think of Atlanta?
I haven’t watched it, because I had heard there is very little character development in black women.

 

[Lhark]

What do you think of Atlanta?
I haven’t watched it, because I had heard there is very little character development in black women.

There's some truth to that, it's the biggest flaw in the show. It also doesn't help that some of the shows worst episode are ones centered around women. The episode with the Drake cutout (can't think of the name) drew a lot of criticism because of how one of the women acted.

It's definitely worth watching imo, especially if you ran through everything else already.

 

[murksiderock]

What do you think of Atlanta?
I haven’t watched it, because I had heard there is very little character development in black women.

To be honest I wasn't really a fan, but I only watched the first handful of episodes when it premiered. I was drawn to the premier because it had a ton of hype preceding its debut, I remember there was promo for Atlanta 6 months or more in advance...

So I don't remember alot of it, I watched two or three episodes but something about it didn't click and I quit it. For me, if you can't keep me interested you lost, but I'll admit that was almost four years ago and maybe I should try again...

What do you think of Insecure and Greenleaf? And what are the best modern black shows in your opinion?

 

[murksiderock]

Another thing for the cats who subscribe to the "some of these shows overdo it with the 'blackness' and don't present an accurate or full-bodied perspective of blackness" crowd...

You gotta remember any nonblack with internet access can stumble across websites like this, or Twitter or IG and see us using "nikka" all day, debating about consciousness all day, talking about all kind of shyt that reinforces images and stereos of black people whether those nonblacks know black people or not. We aren't a monolith but most of these shows depict large segments of US with at least some degree of realism...

There are those of us who only use AAVE and don't give a flying fukk about shaping their language in the presence of nonblacks, so why is it a problem if that's depicted on screen? There are those of us who "c00n" or "wench" it up for whites and nonblacks, why is it a problem seeing it onscreen?

Do yall really think there aren't some nonblacks who don't know this about us? And do yall really believe the shows of yesteryear yall hype up all the time didn't depict in similar fashions?

People see what we put out there, they hear how we talk and see how we act in public. Our artists know their bread is buttered by white comfortability, the shaping of our shows and art to appease whites isn't some new phenomenon that started with black shows in the 2010s!

 

[Shadow King]

There will never be "good" black shows because we can't decide what we want or is acceptable as "Black enough"

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Exactly, all of them did. Cats here may not have known whites who liked these shows, but In Living Color and the Wayans family doesn't pop off without mass appreciation and approval from whites, them nikkas woulda still been doing dusty comedy clubs in NY with no traction...

By extension, all the brothers and sisters whose first popularity came from In Living Color like Jamie, white people have always loved "these" black people. Cats are being ridiculous in here...

I think it's funny how we choose to remember the "golden era" of black television in the 90s. The overwhelming majority of those shows were created and dumbed down for white acceptance, fukk outta here. And a few of you already pointed out some flaws on alot of them, the cringeworthy shyt that was performed on some of those shows, either would get blasted today by the same nikkas in here caping for them, or wouldn't last in today's TV climate...

The 90s was the golden era because it was the manifestation of black TV and there was no mainstream approval of black TV before then. Prior to the 90s you couldn't have a lot of black shows on at one time, there was Cosby and 227 and Good Times and Amen befire those, but they didn't give us a lot of platform...

And don't get me started with the stereotypes shows like Good Times and Sanford & Son projected, we'd be talking all day. nikkas in here saying the modern shows are one trick ponies trying to appease whites and dumbing it down, fukk do they think the shows of the past were?

Cosby may have been worse as it kissed so much white ass it didn't show anywhere near the average perspective of a black household...

These cats aren't happy with anything, the thing is nothing will please everyone. The fact is the same things nikkas tripping on modern shows about can apply to every show from the past, just say you don't like it or are nostalgic and move on...

For the record I'm not the biggest fan of modern shows, but I also wasn't the biggest fan of all the older shows. I think Insecure is a great adaptation of modern LA created by an LA native, certainly it's more LA than the Jamie Foxx Show was. It's not perfect but some of these shows are better than their golden age predecessors...



100 again, brother...



Lmao white folks loved these shyts, but then you also gotta remember there were far more black shows then. Of course white people weren't watching them all but the ones they didn't watch were canceled quickly...

White folk loved Martin, I don't know how you think his popularity and platform grew so fast. They don't love anything as much as WE do (from Martin to chicken to fly athletic sneakers and on and on), so if what you're looking for is whites to have the same volume of appreciation, you ain't gonna find it. But the idea whites didn't watch or like these TV shows is easily disproved...

Bron ain’t playing so you came out with the pistol smoking on a different topic huh

 

[Shadow King]

Unfortunately, I don't think alot of people on here would agree with you.

There was another thread on here about "authentically black" shows and the consensus on the Coli is that Atlanta is not authentically black and the writing appeals more to smart woke blacks and whites, exactly the demo spoken about in the OP and does not appeal to the "inner city" whom they deem are the "regular" blacks.

Well the concept of inner city blacks is trending downwards due to gentrification so how can it determine blackness when it's existence is threatened? And even when it was thriving, it was still wrong to make it the only measure of blackness.

Especially when it comes to job interviews

If you possess the demeanor of characters like:

Frank from Snowfall
Jason from Jason's Lyric

Whites are often taken aback.

The bright, calculated dude from the hood who has vision beyond that of his peers? If all black male TV characters were in this mold it would be just as unrealistic.