Do you all believe in the Infinite monkey theorem?

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

I think he would say he don't know for sure but evidence points too...

Unless the universe ends, time is seemingly semi-infinite. The stopwatch started at the big bang. But no one knows whether the universe will end or not... as for now the universe just keeps expanding and I'm not sure why it would end when it's been expanding for this long.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

some say it's a 4 dimensional torus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0

even with the gawd explaining it, I still have an insanely hard time wrapping my head around this... could there be beings that exist in the 4th dimension that we can't see? Everytime I start thinking about the universe it just ends to an infinite amount of questions and wonderings.. shyt is cray

 

[OneManGang]

I laugh every time i think about this shyt. A shytload of chimps in a room with a typewriter

I actually dont think you can liken this to what the universe is doing though. The universe is governed by laws and checks and balances. These basic checks dictate what will and what cannot happen. What does a room full of monkeys have to keep it on track?

 

[rapbeats]

Oh, okay, I see. I just can't understand why a being that has the power to do anything would even need "laws" to make everything work.

I always just thought things are the way they are because they HAVE to be, otherwise we wouldn't even be here to question why/how the physical laws of the universe came to be.

It would be nice if we had other universes to compare this one to (laws of physics wise).

Makes you wonder if there are "failed" universes that had different physical laws that didn't allow for planets and stuff to form.

just because you have a lot of ability doesnt mean there are no laws. and who says the laws were for him? and not for his creations only, because they do not possess his ability?

technically speaking he is the LAW. therefore he doesnt need laws. he is the law. everything that comes from him will come with rules and regs to make sure they work to their best abilities.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

just because you have a lot of ability doesnt mean there are no laws. and who says the laws were for him? and not for his creations only, because they do not possess his ability?

technically speaking he is the LAW. therefore he doesnt need laws. he is the law. everything that comes from him will come with rules and regs to make sure they work to their best abilities.

Gosh, it's so easy and convenient to just put it in the "God did it drawer" instead of figuring stuff out and looking at the evidence before drawing such an astounding conclusion.

 

[blackzeus]

Reality:

Real monkeys

In 2003, lecturers and students from the University of Plymouth MediaLab Arts course used a £2,000 grant from the Arts Council to study the literary output of real monkeys. They left a computer keyboard in the enclosure of six Celebes Crested Macaques in Paignton Zoo in Devon in England for a month, with a radio link to broadcast the results on a website.[10]

Not only did the monkeys produce nothing but five pages[11] consisting largely of the letter S, the lead male began by bashing the keyboard with a stone, and the monkeys continued by urinating and defecating on it. Phillips said that the artist-funded project was primarily performance art, and they had learned "an awful lot" from it. He concluded that monkeys "are not random generators. They're more complex than that. ... They were quite interested in the screen, and they saw that when they typed a letter, something happened. There was a level of intention there."

If somebody said an infinite amount of monkeys with tiles in their hand would eventually lay them down symmetrically, they would be deemed crazy. People go to absurd lengths to dispute intelligent design. Truly insane.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Reality:



If somebody said an infinite amount of monkeys with tiles in their hand would eventually lay them down symmetrically, they would be deemed crazy. People go to absurd lengths to dispute intelligent design. Truly insane.

Intelligent design defeats itself... no evidence = you have nothing.

 

[blackzeus]

Intelligent design defeats itself... no evidence = you have nothing.

The design is the evidence big homey. You can tell the designer of the Sears Tower or the Panama Canal or the Sphinx or the cell phone or the TV, or the...is intelligent/advanced from the design. Why can't we do the same on a biological level. Why do we see the pyramids, and marvel at the Egyptians, but look at the DNA sequence, and try to conceive a theory on how monkeys could in theory create something just as organized and sequential given the amount of monkeys put to the task Smart dumb nikkaz

 

[Brown_Pride]

Nail on the head of what i was trying to get at (in the bold)

Even in evolution and genetics there's layering, building upon the foundation of the last change. In the case of monkeys typing, there's no foundation to randomly build up to shakespeare so it won't converge to that at any amount of time.

I'm not too familiar with the library version of this analogy, but my thoughts kind of diverge. Monkeys would have no conscious motive to jamming keys or a predisposed bias to create anything such as shakespeare, as opposed to infinitely typing essays about their love for bananas and nothing else.

But an infinite library of finite possible letters would have to converge to shakespeare at some point, where the monkeys them selves would break the finite'ness of what they can create by themselves being a none random entity... So in that case, yeah.

I think the two cases are fundamentally different tho. Living beings don't operate on the same randomness of inanimate objects, such as particles, stars, and other massive objects in the universe.... or in this case random letters.

unless the monkey's developed a language based on what they are typing.
Watch this. . .

Now assuming we're feeding these monkeys, most likely on a reward system, we could assume those monkeys with the best key stroke per minute count would gain more food. Assuming the monkeys discover the correlation between food and keystrokes we could surmise that they would stop shyting on everythign and start typing. Now fastforward several millennium and these monkeys after thousands of years of communication have developed their own language based on our alphabet, as their only means for food has been typing we coudl assume that at various stages these monkeys would at time begin to reflect and type wild fictional thoughts creating all the things imagined. Fast forward a again and you have humans

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

The design is the evidence big homey. You can tell the designer of the Sears Tower or the Panama Canal or the Sphinx or the cell phone or the TV, or the...is intelligent/advanced from the design. Why can't we do the same on a biological level. Why do we see the pyramids, and marvel at the Egyptians, but look at the DNA sequence, and try to conceive a theory on how monkeys could in theory create something just as organized and sequential given the amount of monkeys put to the task Smart dumb nikkaz

You act like this theorem is on solid scientific ground, when it isn't. It isn't co-signed by evolutionists or scientists.

Your watchmaker argument was being debunked back in ancient greece my dude.

Do you know what DNA is made up of and how it is formed and how it has changed over the entire course of evolution gradually getting more and more complex as organisms evolved? It's not like DNA is some mystical substance that could've only come from the gods. DNA is made up of nucleotides, a phosphate group, a sugar group and a nitrogen base. These things were formed by naturalistic processes, not a snap of the fingers.

Anyone who believes intelligent design has no room to call other people dumb.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Unless the universe ends, time is seemingly semi-infinite. The stopwatch started at the big bang. But no one knows whether the universe will end or not... as for now the universe just keeps expanding and I'm not sure why it would end when it's been expanding for this long.

assuming there are different dimensions would our perceived time have started then, the concept of time though may have existed at that very moment in other dimensions?

 

[Brown_Pride]

You act like this theorem is on solid scientific ground, when it isn't. It isn't co-signed by evolutionists or scientists.

Your watchmaker argument was being debunked back in ancient greece my dude.

Do you know what DNA is made up of and how it is formed and how it has changed over the entire course of evolution gradually getting more and more complex as organisms evolved? It's not like DNA is some mystical substance that could've only come from the gods. DNA is made up of nucleotides, a phosphate group, a sugar group and a nitrogen base. These things were formed by naturalistic processes, not a snap of the fingers.

Anyone who believes intelligent design has no room to call other people dumb.

and yet there is room for extra dimensional life forms even within your own understanding of the universe...

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

assuming there are different dimensions would our perceived time have started then, the concept of time though may have existed at that very moment in other dimensions?

I'm not up on all the dimension shyt, anything pass 3 dimensions just mind fukks me.. I don't see how time could've possibly existed before expansion since there was no "change" to measure a difference by (if this makes sense)

An abstract thing like time is better explained by the experts

I really suggest listening to this podcast by Neil DeGrasse Tyson, I think you'll find he answers a lot of the questions you may be having regarding time. It took me a long time for me to wrap my head around it and I'm generally savvy in things concerning cosmology.

http://www.startalkradio.net/show/cosmic-queries-time-keeping/

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

and yet there is room for extra dimensional life forms even within your own understanding of the universe...

Theoretically I guess it's possible? As I said to you though, I don't understand all the extra dimensionality stuff and I don't think it's even been proven.

 

[daze23]

unless the monkey's developed a language based on what they are typing.
Watch this. . .

Now assuming we're feeding these monkeys, most likely on a reward system, we could assume those monkeys with the best key stroke per minute count would gain more food. Assuming the monkeys discover the correlation between food and keystrokes we could surmise that they would stop shyting on everythign and start typing. Now fastforward several millennium and these monkeys after thousands of years of communication have developed their own language based on our alphabet, as their only means for food has been typing we coudl assume that at various stages these monkeys would at time begin to reflect and type wild fictional thoughts creating all the things imagined. Fast forward a again and you have humans

where's the pressure to do anything but type fast?