Do you believe God is up there micromanaging everyone's lives?

[Professor Emeritus]

show himself to us like he did in the bible

i mean im sorry but the copout of "well god was always just there because he's god" is so unbelievable EPIC that i don't even know how to address it. it's so intellectually bankrupt

Can you tell me which Bible passage you're referring to?

And how is it intellectually bankrupt to state that God exists outside of spacetime? You seem to be claiming that you'd only believe in a creator of the universe who is physical and exists within created spacetime. You do realise that's self-contradictory, right?

You're willing to believe in a physical, timed universe that was "always there", even though all physical evidence shows that the universe is less than 14 billion years old. But you're not willing to believe that something outside of time could always be there (even though, in being outside time, it would be "always there" by definition). You're not making any sense.

 

[the cac mamba]

Can you tell me which Bible passage you're referring to?

And how is it intellectually bankrupt to state that God exists outside of spacetime?
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because you can't possible know such a thing. there is NO fukkING WAY you can fathom who or what "god" is. you're just a human

and in the same vein, there's no way i can fathom it either. which is why my position is that i dont know what god is, and scorn at other humans who claim they know what god is

You're willing to believe in a physical, timed universe that was "always there", even though all physical evidence shows that the universe is less than 14 billion years old. But you're not willing to believe that something outside of time could always be there (even though, in being outside time, it would be "always there" by definition). You're not making any sense.

it's simple. if you don't have to explain how god got there, i dont have to explain how the universe got there. it's the same exact thing

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Can you tell me which Bible passage you're referring to?

And how is it intellectually bankrupt to state that God exists outside of spacetime? You seem to be claiming that you'd only believe in a creator of the universe who is physical and exists within created spacetime. You do realise that's self-contradictory, right?

You're willing to believe in a physical, timed universe that was "always there", even though all physical evidence shows that the universe is less than 14 billion years old. But you're not willing to believe that something outside of time could always be there (even though, in being outside time, it would be "always there" by definition). You're not making any sense.

Not saying you're wrong but what physical evidence is there that the universe is not as old as scientists claim?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

because you can't possible know such a thing. there is NO fukkING WAY you can fathom who or what "god" is. you're just a human

and in the same vein, there's no way i can fathom it either. which is why my position is that i dont know what god is, and scorn at other humans who claim they know what god is

It's pretty logically sound to suggest that the creator must be able to maintain existence outside of his own creation. If you don't want to draw even the simplest conclusions, probably shouldn't participate in threads like these.

it's simple. if you don't have to explain how god got there, i dont have to explain how the universe got there. it's the same exact thing

If you believe that material and non-material, natural and supernatural, within spacetime and outside of spacetime, are the "exact same thing", then we have nowhere to go in the conversation.

You're literally saying that you won't believe in a supernatural being unless if follows the exact same rules as natural things...which is a circular argument.

Not saying you're wrong but what physical evidence is there that the universe is not as old as scientists claim?

I'm not aware of any. I'm agreeing with the scientific consensus.

 

[the cac mamba]

It's pretty logically sound to suggest that the creator must be able to maintain existence outside of his own creation. If you don't want to draw even the simplest conclusions, probably shouldn't participate in threads like these.




If you believe that material and non-material, natural and supernatural, within spacetime and outside of spacetime, are the "exact same thing", then we have nowhere to go in the conversation.

You're literally saying that you won't believe in a supernatural being unless if follows the exact same rules as natural things...which is a circular argument.
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this isn't any fun without you stating what you believe in

 

[Professor Emeritus]

this isn't any fun without you stating what you believe in

I believe in a natural created universe that could not be brought into existence without a supernatural creator. I believe that scientific experiments, by design, tell us generally accurate information about what happens in natural events, though not why. I believe that Jesus knew and showed us more about God than anyone else in human history. I generally interpret the Gospel accounts of Jesus along similar lines to N.T. Wright in his Christian Origins and the Question of God series.

 

[the cac mamba]

I believe in a natural created universe that could not be brought into existence without a supernatural creator. I believe that scientific experiments, by design, tell us generally accurate information about what happens in natural events, though not why. I believe that Jesus knew and showed us more about God than anyone else in human history. I generally interpret the Gospel accounts of Jesus along similar lines to N.T. Wright in his Christian Origins and the Question of God series.

i had a hunch

when were you first indoctrinated with this? was it the same age you were gullible enough to believe in santa claus?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

i had a hunch

when were you first indoctrinated with this? was it the same age you were gullible enough to believe in santa claus?

I was never indoctrinated.

 

[the cac mamba]

I was never indoctrinated. My dad was agnostic. I began following God at 19, when I was already halfway through a physics degree at an elite university, and did most of my early learning about Jesus via personal and group Bible study. As a result I've never been theologically committed to the dogma of any one particular denomination but try to gain from all of them as I can and as they measure up to the gospel accounts, history, and reason.

oh

well, maybe you're right maybe the creator of the universe impregnated someone else's wife with *himself* via an angel pimp, to sacrifice *himself* to *himself* 33 years later so that for the next two thousand years, men could guilt other men into giving them money because of this story, and that's the real reason we're here. i couldn't tell you

 

[Skeptic]

There seems to be an intense emotional need to believe in god or gods that exists in some people from what I understand. This need seems to cause the person to dismiss or ignore any argument that contradicts the belief in their particular god or gods.

It seems that most people that believe in god or gods were taught this to be fact from birth and have never or have been reluctant to question their beliefs.

 

[kdthelegend]

Why do you let shyt go on as it does?

Because I'm not God

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Because I'm not God

So? He gave you power and free will. What are you doing with it?

 

[Mowgli]

This is provided you believe in God at all. I just wonder where people get this impression from. I mean if I was God and I had a species I created with billions of people I'm certainly not gonna be sitting around micromanaging the details of billions of lives at an individual level. I mean God has to have more important things going on than Chuck quitting his job to start his own business because that's the supposed path chosen for him. Are people really that self-absorbed to think the individual goings on of their lives are front and center on God's agenda?

That's not how it works .

U micromanage your own life and wait for your score after you die.

 

[88m3]

So? He gave you power and free will. What are you doing with it?

 

[the cac mamba]

There seems to be an intense emotional need to believe in god or gods that exists in some people from what I understand. This need seems to cause the person to dismiss or ignore any argument that contradicts the belief in their particular god or gods.

It seems that most people that believe in god or gods were taught this to be fact from birth and have never or have been reluctant to question their beliefs.

theres a reason that the vast majority of religious people were taught to fear and love god at the same age they were gullible enough to believe in santa claus

that's not even a dig at anyone, it's just a blatant fact. if you weren't allowed to indoctrinate kids with these disgusting novels, and you had to learn about this stuff aged 21 and up, the vast majority of people would probably laugh it off

the average 21 year old would say "well look at that, it looks like there have been a few hundred purported gods, and a few hundred religions and sets of rules to follow. basic logic dictates that these are all bullshyt, and there might be a god but there's no point in listening to another human tell you what it is since most of them would have to be wrong, if not all of them"

whereas a kid whose parents tell him there's only one god, and he sees you when you're sleeping, well. that shyt is a wash