Do you believe God is up there micromanaging everyone's lives?

[Berniewood Hogan]

I believe in a natural created universe that could not be brought into existence without a supernatural creator. I believe that scientific experiments, by design, tell us generally accurate information about what happens in natural events, though not why. I believe that Jesus knew and showed us more about God than anyone else in human history. I generally interpret the Gospel accounts of Jesus along similar lines to N.T. Wright in his Christian Origins and the Question of God series.

okay, so, ultimate question: Why didn't God need to be created? He just exists? So it's possible to just exist without being created?

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Why talk about suffering?

Suffering is part of living in this world..

The symbol of Christianity is a cross for crying out loud.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

okay, so, ultimate question: Why didn't God need to be created? He just exists? So it's possible to just exist without being created?

If something is outside of the physical universe and thus outside of spacetime, it's impossible to even describe it as having a beginning or an end. It's literally outside of time. So yes, it is always existent by definition.

However, if something is material, within spacetime, then it has to have had a beginning and therefore a point of creation. Spacetime can't just appear by itself. Scientifically, how would that be possible?

The place between being within spacetime and outside of spacetime is the place where scientific explanations break down.

 

[TAYLONDO SAMSWORTHY]

All of this is an illusion.

We’re in the danger room living through this simulation in order to learn and grow our spirit (which is who we really are).

We do not have a spirit, we have a body.

Treat this like a classroom and enjoy the experiences and lessons learned.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

you're on to something but you're missing a key point.

Lets take it back to the days in the garden, pre granny smith apple gate.

Adam and eve were naming animals. Running around figuring out the world that the good Lord built for them. I believe, that this kind of scientific inquiry and categorizing things is what we were designed to do. in essence, God built us, and built a place for us called earth and the heavens(space). and he did it not just so we could live here. but also for us to explore and figure out the wonders he's created. because the euphoric feeling we have when we have discovered something for the first time has to feel some type of Good to the person/being who created it for us.

imagine you make a paper airplane for your son. then imagine him getting old enough to figure out how you created it and now he can duplicate it. imagine that feeling of a proud father you would have. so multiple that feeling times billions for God. Now your son is older. imagine if you build a video game on a computer. and your daughter figures out how you pieced the entire gaming world together and how things work. The journey of your daughter trying to figure things out, asking you some questions, other times trying to figure it out for herself and finally getting it. imagine that feeling. Now multiple that times billions/zillions because we're talking about throughout mankind's history and future.

I believe we were designed to all be explorers and scientists. i think we were supposed to figure out how to manipulate things.

And that it would not have had the same consequences pre apple issue as it does now. because we do these things in some respect for our own selfish motives even when we think we are doing it for others. we still a lot of times do things for our own desire to feel loved by others who like what we did.

per the bible, the eating of that apple was one thing but the lying about it and the some what infighting between adam and eve not owning up to their parts. adam saying more or less "well...she gave it to me." like he wasnt the one told not to eat it. he gave up his manhood privileges right there. she gave up her equal privileges by not being a proper helpmeet that should've told that talking serpent No thanks. or at worse 'let me ask my husband adam what he thinks about this first. and then adam if he wasnt sure about it. should've spoke to god about it and asked, "is this that tree you said we shouldnt eat from?"

once those mistakes were made and the lack of an early on repenting spirit, it broke the world as we know it. it went from perfect to broken right along with adam and eve and all of their offspring thereafter.

thats why the real answer to all of the worlds ills is a simple one. The entire planet including all of us in it are broken.

when you sit back and hear about a child being kidnapped and killed by her father. or some fool burning his baby mama live, or some other fools shooting up an elementary school full of kids. and you say "How does god let this happen?"

the answer is, he didnt. our greatest of grandfathers and grandmothers allowed it by partaking of that fruit. and then not being quit to own up and apologizing.
That book says adam could speak to the animals and command them. i think this is something that most of us has lost due to the worl being broken. we have no idea what the earth was like before he became a broken version of itself. we dont know what type of power we had over the earth, the animals, its elements, etc.

You're on the right path.

What's lost will be found again.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

I am. I'm a Coli breh just like you.

LMAO.




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[Berniewood Hogan]

If something is outside of the physical universe and thus outside of spacetime, it's impossible to even describe it as having a beginning or an end.

Not really. God could have been created by something else.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

The deist view seems to be the most logical of theist explanations.

This is where I settled after I began to question religion.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Not really. God could have been created by something else.

If it happened outside of space time though, "when" could you say it happened?

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

If it happened outside of space time though, "when" could you say it happened?

i have no idea. i'm just disagreeing with the idea that we must conclude the universe was created by a supernatural being. we don't yet know all the properties of this universe. it's still possible that this thing came into existence without someone deciding it should.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

okay, so, ultimate question: Why didn't God need to be created? He just exists? So it's possible to just exist without being created?

Well something had to be first right?

 

[kdthelegend]

So? He gave you power and free will. What are you doing with it?

Trying to have it all like so called god is suppose to have. Ain't no god.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

If there is a God, we may just be a garden of flowers to him. Just keeping us alive as long as he can. But if we die we die. He has many gardens.

 

[Day_Walker]

@Rhakim i like your answers breh even if i don't agree with everything. As someone that believes more so that there could be a good rather then subscribing to any 1 manmade religion what is your take on other religions? And i do know some of the other major religions all technically teach similar stories with different anecdotes but there are still some major differences.

 

[Day_Walker]

I was never indoctrinated. My dad was agnostic. I began following God at 19, when I was already halfway through a physics degree at an elite university, and did most of my early learning about Jesus via personal and group Bible study. As a result I've never been theologically committed to the dogma of any one particular denomination but try to gain from all of them as I can and as they measure up to the gospel accounts, history, and reason.

What are you thoughts on theories that we are just a simulation in a computer etc?
Could be just as likely as the Bible's version of there being a god