Do you believe God is up there micromanaging everyone's lives?

[Wiles]

you have to make up your mind i mean first he knows everything we do, but then we have free will, first he answers individual prayers, but then he doesnt and he just sits back and lets free will happen.

religious fools just jump from narrative to narrative depending on how their year went

we have free will thats it

he aint gonna fix shyt we gotta fix it

all that other shyt was bullshyt to get sheep to pay churches electric bill

 

[Wiles]

Tell that to Maleah Davis.

her parents failed her sorry

free will is equally evil and good

if a little girls death is enough for you to lose faith you never had it to begin with.

and last time i checked God aint kill the girl some bytch ass breh did...

 

[Secure Da Bag]

No. I think the idea that god is micromanaging everyone's lives is a distortion of Scripture, though it's easy to understand how people would want to come to such a conclusion.

The question of suffering is a very different question. It's not easy by any means, but people who demand a world without suffering are as naive and simplistic about the issue as people who believe that god micromanages everyone's lives.





Imagine that you are God for a moment. What do you believe the ideal solution to that would be?

Let a blood vessel pop in ol boy's head and have someone's tire pop before he kidnapped her completely.

 

[acri1]

You can come up with whatever explanations about why an omnipotent, benevolent being allows suffering the world.

But Occam's Razor is a good guideline to follow, and the simplest explanation is that said being doesn't exist.

 

[Pressure]

Is God even watching everyone?

Who's keeping inventory?

Is your free will actually free in a designed closed loop system?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Let a blood vessel pop in ol boy's head and have someone's tire pop before he kidnapped her completely.

So every time anyone is about to do something bad God strikes them down with death? Everyone would notice this trend soon enough, right?

You can come up with whatever explanations about why an omnipotent, benevolent being allows suffering the world.

But Occam's Razor is a good guideline to follow, and the simplest explanation is that said being doesn't exist.

Occam's Razor is not "whenever an issue is complex I can divert to my own unproven pet theory."

The very existence of spacetime without a Creator, not to mention a universe developing in a manner as to allow sentient beings, not to mention consciousness itself, would be a joke to call "simple."

You really don't want to try to pull Occam's Razor on this one. There are readable, popular-level books about suffering in the world that a layman can understand and that give plausible answers. There is nothing of the sort that explains how spacetime came to exist in the first place or why a purely physical, non-sentient world allowed the development of beings with a consciousness that can debate moral issues....heck, or what consciousness and the moral landscape even are.

 

[Ya Sinning Mane]

No but I believe he can send an angel to fix a situation.
thats what they for right?
If you think he not real jus wait til you have a near death experience.God forbid but
Stay ready people
You just never know

Think it’s your time but it can be gone faster than u blink.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

So every time anyone is about to do something bad God strikes them down with death? Everyone would notice this trend soon enough, right?

You said to THAT situation not every situation.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You said to THAT situation not every situation.

So you believe that God could pick and choose which situations he micromanages? How do you know he isn't doing that already? How do you know there wouldn't be 10x as many such kidnappings if God wasn't stopping 90% of them?

You're either saying you believe God needs to step in literally every time (or every time that fulfills some ambiguous criteria), or you're complaining about God failing to do something that for all you know he's already doing.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

So you believe that God could pick and choose which situations he micromanages? How do you know he isn't doing that already? How do you know there wouldn't be 10x as many such kidnappings if God wasn't stopping 90% of them?

You're either saying you believe God needs to step in literally every time (or every time that fulfills some ambiguous criteria), or you're complaining about God failing to do something that for all you know he's already doing.

Or I'm just saying what the ideal solution for THAT situation is.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Or I'm just saying what the ideal solution for THAT situation is.

But it's not. You can't pretend anyone's decisions, especially not God's, exist in some sort of moral vacuum where they don't effect anything else. For that to be the "ideal" way for God to act you have to explore the ramifications of God acting that way consistently. Otherwise you're just playing inconsequential games.

Hypotheticals only matter if they are applicable. Making a non-applicable hypothetical statement doesn't get the discussion anywhere.

 

[blotter]

This is provided you believe in God at all. I just wonder where people get this impression from. I mean if I was God and I had a species I created with billions of people I'm certainly not gonna be sitting around micromanaging the details of billions of lives at an individual level. I mean God has to have more important things going on than Chuck quitting his job to start his own business because that's the supposed path chosen for him. Are people really that self-absorbed to think the individual goings on of their lives are front and center on God's agenda?

the impression comes from the natural order of things. Unfortunately Christianity offers a pretty poor explanation of things. Christians who realize the futility in pretending to be managerial quality don't have the largest toolbox to work with.

the law of karma is a much more useful/accurate model

 

[acri1]

Occam's Razor is not "whenever an issue is complex I can divert to my own unproven pet theory."

No, Occam's Razor basically means that when you have two competing ideas, the one that makes the fewest assumptions is more likely to be correct. And also, saying god probably doesn't exist isn't a "theory" any more than "earth probably isn't the center of the solar system" isn't an astrophysical theory.

The very existence of spacetime without a Creator, not to mention a universe developing in a manner as to allow sentient beings, not to mention consciousness itself, would be a joke to call "simple."

The universe isn't particularly simple with or without a creator, but we already know the universe exists whether it's simple or not.

But adding the existence of an unobservable god (while not explaining how this god came to be) just makes things more complex. Hence, Occam's Razor.

You really don't want to try to pull Occam's Razor on this one. There are readable, popular-level books about suffering in the world that a layman can understand and that give plausible answers. There is nothing of the sort that explains how spacetime came to exist in the first place or why a purely physical, non-sentient world allowed the development of beings with a consciousness that can debate moral issues....heck, or what consciousness and the moral landscape even are.

I don't know where spacetime came from (or even if it had to come from anywhere) but I'm pretty sure almost no reputable scientists consider intelligent design to be a scientific explanation of how the universe came to be, and I'm pretty sure you don't want to argue otherwise.

 

[Dreadknox77]

This is provided you believe in God at all. I just wonder where people get this impression from. I mean if I was God and I had a species I created with billions of people I'm certainly not gonna be sitting around micromanaging the details of billions of lives at an individual level. I mean God has to have more important things going on than Chuck quitting his job to start his own business because that's the supposed path chosen for him. Are people really that self-absorbed to think the individual goings on of their lives are front and center on God's agenda?

Proverbs 20:24 - Man's goings are of the Lord; how can a man then understand his own way?

 

[jj23]

So you're saying God should take control of people? Force their hand? Every time you made a bad enough decision he would take over and force you to make the right one?

And he should do this in just that little girl's case, or every single time something bad is going to happen to any child? Would we be walking around in a world where children are invincible up to a certain age, so adults don't really need to protect them or watch out for them? Or is there a certain specific cutoff? And does this only go for bad things that people do or natural physical consequences too?

People pray to God everyday for him to intervene in their lives. How is that not asking him to interfere?

Your statement is exactly the reason why I believe that God doesn't exist or if he does it is nothing like we think it is.

I gave you my opinion based on what I would do if I was God. If I was omnipotent and omnipresent. If I could see the future and see everything past, why should the patterns and statements you made that seem complex and difficult for you, matter to me?

I would be God. I would know the best case scenario for each person based on millions of possible outcomes. Why would I want Maleah Davis to suffer?

It makes more sense to acknowledge that we are like lab subjects in a Mr Manhattan universe and leave it there, but let's not pretend that a being that mastered spacetime would be encumbered with what we think is complicated.