Do you believe there was a conspiracy against Pac?
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The people you’re claiming were around him weren’t even around him like that. I don’t even think Keefe D was around - I believe he was locked up. Pac & Snoop didn’t even get along when he died & the video of Pac’s last moment in NYC when he had the confrontation with Nas is on YouTube with Snoop looking shook. And Ice T wasn’t even around him & I believe he was already in New York doing his Law & Order thing.
In case you don’t know, I’m a Pac stan & I have watched hundreds of interviews of the real people around him from Oakland, to NYC, to LA & they all said the opposite of what you’re saying. Go watch Big Sykes & Spice 1 interviews - those two know him more than the phony people a lot of you are enamoured by cos they stay on YouTube talking about Pac all the time. Even E Money Bags said Pac was a real one & that’s the same guy that got Jay Z shook.
he got himself into trouble
Child_Of_God
Jesus is king of kings and lord of lords.
Nope. Pac tried too hard to be someone he really wasn‘t and it cost him in the end.
He could of used his charisma, intelligence and Black Panther influence to start a black political party and make real changes to the Black community instead of going the gangbanging street route and involving himself into beefs that he had no business getting himself into too.
He could of used his charisma, intelligence and Black Panther influence to start a black political party and make real changes to the Black community instead of going the gangbanging street route and involving himself into beefs that he had no business getting himself into too.
Amo Husserl
Superstar
He was a confused young black man who didn't know which way to go.
Nice guys shouldn't be looking for hoes.
Complexion
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I'll swing through later with some replies but its interesting to see most members think the events of this mans life were totally natural and not externally orchestrated in ways designed to steer him toward ever limiting options that got steadily worse.
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getting blitzed.
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Pac was a beast in the studio worked his ass off like no other before or after him
However, 2 pac downfall was his big mouth and the fact he thought he knew everything and never would listen to anyone
Start in New York u had mike Tyson, Biggie and even Pac family don’t be hanging with henchman and Jack and pac blew it off and boom get his nuts blown off and then get mad at Biggie because Biggie didn’t tell him he was a target
.. this show u the lack of street knowledge pac had.. no hitters like henchmen and his crew is going to tell Biggie or any other rapper what they plan to do , because they know nikkas talk
Then he get out to prison come back to California this whole new swag and much more confidence because Suge got real killers in his camp so Pac felt more gangster and hard and then once again nikkas tried to tell him from Ice-T and big C Style , hey you need to chill out on that talk and mob shyt , it’s different in LA… and once again pac thought he knew more about what’s going on than nikkas who actually been around it and this time it ended his life
It was no conspiracy, nikka was dumb outside the studio
Pac was a beast in the studio worked his ass off like no other before or after him
However, 2 pac downfall was his big mouth and the fact he thought he knew everything and never would listen to anyone
Start in New York u had mike Tyson, Biggie and even Pac family don’t be hanging with henchman and Jack and pac blew it off and boom get his nuts blown off and then get mad at Biggie because Biggie didn’t tell him he was a target
.. this show u the lack of street knowledge pac had.. no hitters like henchmen and his crew is going to tell Biggie or any other rapper what they plan to do , because they know nikkas talkThen he get out to prison come back to California this whole new swag and much more confidence because Suge got real killers in his camp so Pac felt more gangster and hard and then once again nikkas tried to tell him from Ice-T and big C Style , hey you need to chill out on that talk and mob shyt , it’s different in LA… and once again pac thought he knew more about what’s going on than nikkas who actually been around it and this time it ended his life
It was no conspiracy, nikka was dumb outside the studio
Antwon Mitchell
Banned
Yeah this is the thing about Pac that I don't understand.
With his family background and all you'd think that he would've been better than that but made it clear he didn't want that life.
When it came to beefing with individuals you would've assumed he be the one to let things go and bring people together before stuff escalate to the point of no return but instead he often times was the fuel to the fire.
I feel like low-key despite his mother's issues, that's why he and her never seen eye to eye because she probably wanted more out of her son than what he became in front of her eyes, considering her Black Panther days and such.
The moment he was shot the second time and knew that his death was becoming more of a reality I bet he wished he could've took everything (beefs, legal issues, etc,) back but it was too late.
I like Pac but in hindsight when you look back, unfortunately he was own demise. He's somewhat the catalyst of where Hip-Hop has gone and what rappers have been inspiring to be in the most negative ways since his death.
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Complexion
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So the fact that the same cops who turned up when Pac got shot were the trio who'd just testisifed never made any of you think?
Really? What are the odds of that happening? NY is a big place and they just happened to draw to the shooting of a guy they just met in court 12 hours earlier? Not one, not two but three coppers. All of them were the first ones to arrive the scene.
You can go back over loads of aspects of his life and find similar "coincidences" that. No doubt he was moving reckless with an obvious death wish but I'm just surprised some of you don't seem to see the bigger picture of what was going on around him, repeatedly.
That entire chain of events with so many handy "coincidences" like Lane being there, Fatal not, Zip in town, Kadafi describing a totally different shooter and getting killed, Frank saying the same and ended up dying too, the shooter even being able to find Pac and Suge on the strip, cameras not catching anything, bodyguards without straps, "Got him" on the radio, the vanishing and reappearing murder weapon, a handy dandy story that only incriminates the dead and slips LAPD off the hook etc....
What was the deal with that?
Thats exactly it. The conspiracy I'm speaking of is the one that maneuvered him there. So surprised that people on here can't seem to see this.
Dat backhanded NY compliment.
Whilst I can't say who did what and where there are some odd links that keep on popping up in his life that make it seem very COINTELPROy.
This is 100% true. His death shifted rap and its modern devolved state can pretty much be traced back to the East West beef and specifically Hit Em Up. He was also the first to stay in constant F-ery and have it overshadow his art along with blurred lines between that and his life.
Really? What are the odds of that happening? NY is a big place and they just happened to draw to the shooting of a guy they just met in court 12 hours earlier? Not one, not two but three coppers. All of them were the first ones to arrive the scene.
You can go back over loads of aspects of his life and find similar "coincidences" that. No doubt he was moving reckless with an obvious death wish but I'm just surprised some of you don't seem to see the bigger picture of what was going on around him, repeatedly.
That entire chain of events with so many handy "coincidences" like Lane being there, Fatal not, Zip in town, Kadafi describing a totally different shooter and getting killed, Frank saying the same and ended up dying too, the shooter even being able to find Pac and Suge on the strip, cameras not catching anything, bodyguards without straps, "Got him" on the radio, the vanishing and reappearing murder weapon, a handy dandy story that only incriminates the dead and slips LAPD off the hook etc....
What was the deal with that?
Thats exactly it. The conspiracy I'm speaking of is the one that maneuvered him there. So surprised that people on here can't seem to see this.
Dat backhanded NY compliment.
Whilst I can't say who did what and where there are some odd links that keep on popping up in his life that make it seem very COINTELPROy.
This is 100% true. His death shifted rap and its modern devolved state can pretty much be traced back to the East West beef and specifically Hit Em Up. He was also the first to stay in constant F-ery and have it overshadow his art along with blurred lines between that and his life.
I believe puffy became government compromised when his party killed a bunch of partygoers standing in line at the door, he was responsible and only became more successful afterward, where they do that atSo the fact that the same cops who turned up when Pac got shot were the trio who'd just testisifed never made any of you think?
Really? What are the odds of that happening? NY is a big place and they just happened to draw to the shooting of a guy they just met in court 12 hours earlier? Not one, not two but three coppers. All of them were the first ones to arrive the scene.
You can go back over loads of aspects of his life and find similar "coincidences" that. No doubt he was moving reckless with an obvious death wish but I'm just surprised some of you don't seem to see the bigger picture of what was going on around him, repeatedly.
That entire chain of events with so many handy "coincidences" like Lane being there, Fatal not, Zip in town, Kadafi describing a totally different shooter and getting killed, Frank saying the same and ended up dying too, the shooter even being able to find Pac and Suge on the strip, cameras not catching anything, bodyguards without straps, "Got him" on the radio, the vanishing and reappearing murder weapon, a handy dandy story that only incriminates the dead and slips LAPD off the hook etc....
What was the deal with that?
Thats exactly it. The conspiracy I'm speaking of is the one that maneuvered him there. So surprised that people on here can't seem to see this.
Dat backhanded NY compliment.
Whilst I can't say who did what and where there are some odd links that keep on popping up in his life that make it seem very COINTELPROy.
This is 100% true. His death shifted rap and its modern devolved state can pretty much be traced back to the East West beef and specifically Hit Em Up. He was also the first to stay in constant F-ery and have it overshadow his art along with blurred lines between that and his life.
… and henchman keefe and Haitian all been in and out the system so I no doubt believe they’d been compromised…
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DatBoiHawk
HAWK
nikka Orlando killed him and his uncle confessed everything. Ain’t no grand conspiracy the nikka stomped out a killer and that killer came back shooting. Story over