Religion/Spirituality Do you really believe in Karma?

[Drip Bayless]

imo you dont find clear cut examples of good and evil in the animal world because of their level of consciousness. it's survive, eat, procreate, protect.

when we get into the complexity and capability of the human psyche is when we get into more concrete examples.



thats not what he asked



lol as long as you know thats an opinion



measure what energy?

and "good/bad" are human terms. at its most fundamental level, good/bad is energy expressed as complimentary opposites that exist on an energetic spectrum that contains both extremes.

but as you saw with the khalil gibran quote there are many levels to this discussion.

Again, more evidence that these philosophies are tailored to suit human desires/needs. Proving my point that morality is a manmade creation. It didn't exist in the universe until we came along huh

 

[Drip Bayless]

the lion kills to eat and to live.

man kills because of ignorance.

big difference.

imo i think there are standards for "good" and "evil" that are recognized at every layer of creation. but certainly a lot of gray area too.

What about when the lion eats its young due to famine? It does so out of necessity, but people don't find that as acceptable as it killing a gazelle. Is a parasite acting immorally when it uses a host? That is also done out of necessity.

 

[noon]

measure what energy?

You compared good and bad to electrical currents and light/darkness. You said it's all energy. I asked you how you measure it then. You tell me what energy it is.

 

[noon]

What about when the lion eats its young due to famine? It does so out of necessity, but people don't find that as acceptable as it killing a gazelle. Is a parasite acting immorally when it uses a host? That is also done out of necessity.

Plus lions have no problems killing other lions' kids.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/18035811

 

[Truth200]

Again, more evidence that these philosophies are tailored to suit human desires/needs. Proving my point that morality is a manmade creation. It didn't exist in the universe until we came along huh

It's hard to debate this.

 

[OsO]

Karma only makes sense if you believe in reincarnation.

i agree.

Again, more evidence that these philosophies are tailored to suit human desires/needs. Proving my point that morality is a manmade creation. It didn't exist in the universe until we came along huh

"morality" could be considered the human modality for universal law. the law has always existed and always will exist, and our concept of morality is simply our way of trying to understand universal law in a human context.

What about when the lion eats its young due to famine? It does so out of necessity, but people don't find that as acceptable as it killing a gazelle. Is a parasite acting immorally when it uses a host? That is also done out of necessity.

people's morals fluctuate.

in my opinion, anytime one being causes pain to another being, that to me is wrong. i use this as my baseline because experiences of pain and pleasure are pretty universal.

but everyone doesn't have to share my beliefs.

in terms of nature i dont knock any life form who, by nature, has to harm another life form to live. thats how they're programmed, that's what their instincts tell them, that's what their nature is, and they simply don't know any better. but thats the difference between animals and humans... we are capable of higher order thinking, which means we can understand higher order concepts like right and wrong.

You compared good and bad to electrical currents and light/darkness. You said it's all energy. I asked you how you measure it then. You tell me what energy it is.

if you're looking for a scientific explanation for the law of karma youre headed in the wrong direction. i dont think its quantifiable for the human mind at this point.

 

[Truth200]

@LeyeT i really respect what your bringing to this thread.

I like hearing the intelligent perspective coming from both sides of the debate.

 

[Drip Bayless]

i agree.



"morality" could be considered the human modality for universal law. the law has always existed and always will exist, and our concept of morality is simply our way of trying to understand universal law in a human context.



people's morals fluctuate.

in my opinion, anytime one being causes pain to another being, that to me is wrong. i use this as my baseline because experiences of pain and pleasure are pretty universal.

but everyone doesn't have to share my beliefs.

in terms of nature i dont knock any life form who, by nature, has to harm another life form to live. thats how they're programmed, that's what their instincts tell them, that's what their nature is, and they simply don't know any better. but thats the difference between animals and humans... we are capable of higher order thinking, which means we can understand higher order concepts like right and wrong.



if you're looking for a scientific explanation for the law of karma youre headed in the wrong direction. i dont think its quantifiable for the human mind at this point.

So if you shot someone in self-defense and they died, you would feel what you did was unjust

 

[I AM WE ARE]

i've asked this question to religious people as well, who decides what our karma is? what about the good things that happen to bad people and vice versa. i think karma is a spiritual thing to believe in.what about people that have done nothing wrong to anyone and get f'd over on a constant basis? what is the scale on karma? are we someone else's karma and if so where does that leave us in the grand scheme of it all. i agree with people that say its a way to understand or control the way things happen.

 

[OsO]

@LeyeT i really respect what your bringing to this thread.

I like hearing the intelligent perspective coming from both sides of the debate.

i appreciate the good dialogue

So if you shot someone in self-defense and they died, you would feel what you did was unjust

it would depend on all the factors involved, but most likely not. imo if someone tries to attack me im justified in defending myself.

i've asked this question to religious people as well, who decides what our karma is? what about the good things that happen to bad people and vice versa. i think karma is a spiritual thing to believe in.what about people that have done nothing wrong to anyone and get f'd over on a constant basis? what is the scale on karma? are we someone else's karma and if so where does that leave us in the grand scheme of it all. i agree with people that say its a way to understand or control the way things happen.

i think we determine our own karma through the choices we make and the reasons we make them. right choices for the right reasons will create good karma. what you put out you get right back, simple as that.

 

[I AM WE ARE]

the you reap what you sow theory, interesting
what decides when you get good karma is my question what is the scale of things, if you do things looking to get good karma does that take away from the act itself?
you know how people say if you do things without looking for a reward,etc

 

[Drip Bayless]

i appreciate the good dialogue



it would depend on all the factors involved, but most likely not. imo if someone tries to attack me im justified in defending myself.



i think we determine our own karma through the choices we make and the reasons we make them. right choices for the right reasons will create good karma. what you put out you get right back, simple as that.

Then you've contradicted yourself, moral absolutism is applicable to very few actions. What exactly does this "universal law" consist of, in your opinion?

 

[OsO]

the you reap what you sow theory, interesting
what decides when you get good karma is my question

THAT is an excellent question.

if you do things looking to get good karma does that take away from the act itself?

i imagine it would, depending on what the action itself is and what the results of that action are. a pure action starts with a pure intention.

Then you've contradicted yourself, moral absolutism is applicable to very few actions.

where is the contradiction?

What exactly does this "universal law" consist of, in your opinion?

the best written explanation i can provide in a short amount of time is this, the Kybalion:

http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/kybalion.pdf

it's a very good introduction to the different aspects of universal law.

 

[I AM WE ARE]

this is similar to the question do you believe in luck

i personally think there is something with karma maybe not the way some people describe or categorize it but i do believe that for every action there is a responsive action

 

[kermit da hustla]

My concept of karma isn't one of immediate feedback to what you've done , good or bad. In my view, karma is the response of the world to your contribution. If you lead a positive life, you will contribute to greater positivity that ultimately impacts you. If you lead a negative life, you will experience a world of greater negativity.