Do you think America would have been more ''socialist'' if the population was 90%+ white?

[Trajan]

Do you think the country would be more left leaning if the majority believed that a generous social safety net would benefit white people?

I think people are more likely to agree to ''handouts'' if they believe they are assisting those like them. We can refer to the Scandinavian social democracies as evidence of this as well as other European countries like the UK.

When Europeans were moving towards the welfare state in the 20th Century, America was undergoing severe racial unrest so a movement to support those at the very bottom of society (overwhelmingly black during Jim Crow) was never going to take off.

We can see this in the way poor whites vote against their own interest for the Republican party. Perhaps they believe that somehow they're punishing black people (even though white people receive the most food stamps).

Added to this, America being a nation of immigrants means all these different ethnic groups had no loyalties towards one another hence the emphasis on competition and individualism.

So Coli, would homogeneity lead to a more generous approach to those at the bottom in America?

 

[bdkane]

Cool perspective breh.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Interesting....

 

[ORDER_66]

America has never had a socialist platform ever from what I can recollect.

They go to others peoples countries and spit in their face touting democracy but still shyt on people's Democratic choice...

 

[Tate]

If America was 90% white you'd have less "white" people. Italians, Eastern Europeans, Jews, and Irish(Scandanavians and Germans to lesser extents) were only normalized fully as white in the last ~60 years in large part due to the growing black, Asian, and Hispanic populations. You'll probably see similar efforts to normalize whiter Hispanic groups as "white."

Historically, immigration and diversity in America had a disparate on socialist politics. The strongest socialist parties at the turn of the century existed at the local levels in places that were both fiercely nativist and heavily diverse. Its an exceedingly complex issue.

Important point of interest here is the uniqueness of the American system of city machine politics, which operated almost exclusively along ethnic lines.

 

[MegaManX]

America only became capitalist once Blacks gained the right to vote.

Let's break down history.

The Great Migration. A period in america where any citizen can claim as much land as they can MANAGE for free. In other words, if you could farm or industrialize the land in the west, the government wrote you a deed for the land at zero dollars.

For 90 years, the federal government regulated trans-state travel in any median, price controlling everything.

The housing act gave home owners 0% of 0.5% interest loans on their houses, causing a boom in housing.


The history of america is full of bogusly outrageous socialism BUT its not cool IF it is open to everyone. Exclusively white? Sure, socialism is amazing. Inclusive? Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps.

 

[rapbeats]

Do you think the country would be more left leaning if the majority believed that a generous social safety net would benefit white people?

YES

 

[Trajan]

America only became capitalist once Blacks gained the right to vote.

Let's break down history.

The Great Migration. A period in america where any citizen can claim as much land as they can MANAGE for free. In other words, if you could farm or industrialize the land in the west, the government wrote you a deed for the land at zero dollars.

For 90 years, the federal government regulated trans-state travel in any median, price controlling everything.

The housing act gave home owners 0% of 0.5% interest loans on their houses, causing a boom in housing.


The history of america is full of bogusly outrageous socialism BUT its not cool IF it is open to everyone. Exclusively white? Sure, socialism is amazing. Inclusive? Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps.

Great points. This is what I'm getting at.

The housing act gave home owners 0% of 0.5% interest loans on their houses, causing a boom in housing.

^^^ Policies like this may have been a lot more common if the country was more homogenous. As demonstrated by the rampant discrimination in the distribution of low-interest federal housing loans, the emphasis is less on whether to have it or not...but more so on who would benefit .

 

[Scholar]

100% Yes

 

[StatUS]

This is an obvious yes. Moral economies usually flourish better where everybody has similar backgrounds.

But there was also a want to separate from anything associated to communism during the Cold War era. America just went completely to the extreme with that though.

 

[MegaManX]

Great points. This is what I'm getting at.

The housing act gave home owners 0% of 0.5% interest loans on their houses, causing a boom in housing.

^^^ Policies like this may have been a lot more common if the country was more homogenous. As demonstrated by the rampant discrimination in the distribution of low-interest federal housing loans, the emphasis is less on whether to have it or not...but more so on who would benefit .

forgot to mention that the federal housing act banned blacks from using it but blacks had to pay taxes into it.

Same for social security where the two exceptions to retirement was "farming" and "Housekeeping"

The only two jobs blacks could get during the entire jim crow era.

 

[TNC]

subs, this is a great conversation point too

 

[the cac mamba]

America has never had a socialist platform ever from what I can recollect.

They go to others peoples countries and spit in their face touting democracy but still shyt on people's Democratic choice...

this

would it be more socialist? yeah i think thats a fair assessment. but the people in power dont give a fukk about poor whites like that. this country was always gonna have fukked up whites at the bottom

you heard mitt romney's 47% comment. lotta white walmart workers in there

 

[Tate]

America only became capitalist once Blacks gained the right to vote.

Let's break down history.

The Great Migration. A period in america where any citizen can claim as much land as they can MANAGE for free. In other words, if you could farm or industrialize the land in the west, the government wrote you a deed for the land at zero dollars.

For 90 years, the federal government regulated trans-state travel in any median, price controlling everything.

The housing act gave home owners 0% of 0.5% interest loans on their houses, causing a boom in housing.


The history of america is full of bogusly outrageous socialism BUT its not cool IF it is open to everyone. Exclusively white? Sure, socialism is amazing. Inclusive? Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps.

Not really. The history of the United States is very unique from an economic perspective because landholding was an obtainable goal for virtually everyone, this is true. But id hardly call that socialism. This wasn't a plan of redistribution or public ownership.

Social relations between classes and to the state are very different in the U.S. and Europe. They have been forever. Better comparisons for the U.S. political scene are in the rest of the Americas.

 

[MegaManX]

Not really. The history of the United States is very unique from an economic perspective because landholding was an obtainable goal for virtually everyone, this is true. But id hardly call that socialism. This wasn't a plan of redistribution or public ownership.

Social relations between classes and to the state are very different in the U.S. and Europe. They have been forever. Better comparisons for the U.S. political scene are in the rest of the Americas.

it is socialism. When federal LAND is given to citizens for 0 dollars, that is a redistribution of wealth. Taxes pay for the fed. Land given to people for free is a redistribution of the tax dollar and it was open to anyone.

If you are talking about a textbook definition of socialism then you have a point. If you are talking about real life socialism, then you are making no sense.

Textbook socialism and capitalism are concepts unattainable by human beings. It is absolutely impossible for either to truly exist. Today we call countries that have a robust safety net and free wealth socialist while countries with limited social nets are capitalist.

America today is SIGNIFICANTLY less opportunistic then it was before anyone but whites had a right to vote.